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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: 8K books in one year, really?
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on January 16, 2025, 02:40:36 PM »
Quote from: TimothyEllis on January 16, 2025, 02:36:17 PM
Quote from: Jeff Tanyard on January 16, 2025, 02:14:49 PM
No one's ever tried to game KDP like this before.  I'm sure Amazon will be completely unprepared for it.   :icon_rolleyes:

I assume that's sarcastic.


Correct.
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Publisher's Office [Public] / Re: Beneficial Ownership Information potential fines $591/day
« Last post by Hopscotch on January 16, 2025, 02:37:45 PM »
Key Legal Developments on Enforcement of the Corporate Transparency Act
The National Law Review   January 14, 2025

"...ongoing legal challenges have left the status of the BOI [Beneficial Ownership Information] reporting requirement in flux. For the time being, unless the Supreme Court intervenes, the nationwide injunction is likely to remain in place through at least March 25, 2025, the scheduled date for oral arguments before the Fifth Circuit....If the injunction is lifted, or if the Supreme Court grants a stay, reporting companies may be required to submit their beneficial ownership information promptly, subject to any deadline extensions provided by FinCEN....The next few months could prove critical for the future of the CTA and its enforcement."

https://natlawreview.com/article/key-legal-developments-enforcement-corporate-transparency-act
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Book Talk [Public] / Re: What message does this send?
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on January 16, 2025, 02:36:19 PM »
The message it sends is that books have little resell value.  Here in America, there are places where trains are routinely looted, and the tracks are covered with the stuff left behind.





Fun fact: my father commuted to work via I-285 for many years.  He saw all sorts of things spilled on the interstate.  One particularly memorable spill was a truck carrying beehives.  The bees got sucked into the car's vents, so Dad had to pull off on the side of the road and get out of the car until the bees flew out.

Cattle have escaped from their vehicles on occasion:



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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: 8K books in one year, really?
« Last post by TimothyEllis on January 16, 2025, 02:36:17 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Tanyard on January 16, 2025, 02:14:49 PM
No one's ever tried to game KDP like this before.  I'm sure Amazon will be completely unprepared for it.   :icon_rolleyes:

I assume that's sarcastic.

There was a spammer on Quora who was asking why his 1600 books he'd put up in a month were not selling.

The AI crowd are spamming their arses off already, and that's probably why Amazon is actively pulling bot books now.

8000 in a year is probably just a fraction of what is being submitted in terms of the totals, and also what individuals are currently doing.

And anyone with that number of books who is not a mainline publisher will probably get nuked for spamming the platform long before they get to 8000.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: 8K books in one year, really?
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on January 16, 2025, 02:14:49 PM »
No one's ever tried to game KDP like this before.  I'm sure Amazon will be completely unprepared for it.   :icon_rolleyes:


Quote from: TimothyEllis on January 16, 2025, 12:16:36 PM
Quote from: Hopscotch on January 16, 2025, 03:23:24 AM
From New Scientist page 48 of Jan 11-17, 2025, issue:

"...Spines, a tech company aiming to disrupt the publishing industry...using AI to do the editing and other jobs previously done by skilled and salaried humans,...aims to publish 8000 books in 2025...."

Amazon adds (I believe) this number of new books each day to its catalog.  I'm curious to know from techies here if this target # seems do-able AI at less than Amazon scale?

That has to be eBooks, since with 3 a day limit for paperbacks, that's only 1095 a year.

But even then, 8000 in a year is 22 a day.

Those are going to plink into the abyss and sink towards the bottomless nothing without anyone noticing.

That's not even a blip by Amazon standards.

What's more likely to happen is somewhere on day 5 of 22 submissions a day, the bots will work out it's AI drek, and the lot will be pulled. The next day of doing the same thing, the account will be nuked.

Even if they make it a year, and I really doubt that, those 8000 books will just be a drop in the ocean that no-one noticed.

If their aim is to disrupt publishing, they obviously don't have a clue how to do that.


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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: 8K books in one year, really?
« Last post by TimothyEllis on January 16, 2025, 12:16:36 PM »
Quote from: Hopscotch on January 16, 2025, 03:23:24 AM
From New Scientist page 48 of Jan 11-17, 2025, issue:

"...Spines, a tech company aiming to disrupt the publishing industry...using AI to do the editing and other jobs previously done by skilled and salaried humans,...aims to publish 8000 books in 2025...."

Amazon adds (I believe) this number of new books each day to its catalog.  I'm curious to know from techies here if this target # seems do-able AI at less than Amazon scale?

That has to be eBooks, since with 3 a day limit for paperbacks, that's only 1095 a year.

But even then, 8000 in a year is 22 a day.

Those are going to plink into the abyss and sink towards the bottomless nothing without anyone noticing.

That's not even a blip by Amazon standards.

What's more likely to happen is somewhere on day 5 of 22 submissions a day, the bots will work out it's AI drek, and the lot will be pulled. The next day of doing the same thing, the account will be nuked.

Even if they make it a year, and I really doubt that, those 8000 books will just be a drop in the ocean that no-one noticed.

If their aim is to disrupt publishing, they obviously don't have a clue how to do that.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: 8K books in one year, really?
« Last post by Lorri Moulton on January 16, 2025, 06:57:42 AM »
Anyone can publish books...but will they sell?  How much advertising is that going to cost?  Seems a bit excessive to me, but we'll see how it goes.  :angel:
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Marketing Loft [Public] / 8K books in one year, really?
« Last post by Hopscotch on January 16, 2025, 03:23:24 AM »
From New Scientist page 48 of Jan 11-17, 2025, issue:

"...Spines, a tech company aiming to disrupt the publishing industry...using AI to do the editing and other jobs previously done by skilled and salaried humans,...aims to publish 8000 books in 2025...."

Amazon adds (I believe) this number of new books each day to its catalog.  I'm curious to know from techies here if this target # seems do-able AI at less than Amazon scale?
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Book Talk [Public] / What message does this send?
« Last post by Jan Hurst-Nicholson on January 16, 2025, 02:03:23 AM »
What does this tell us - apart from it being a good idea to mark boxes and postal items as books to avoid them being stolen😉?

Hoping they are not school books as schools open here today.🤨
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Ad pricing has become prohibitive
« Last post by writeway on January 15, 2025, 04:38:49 PM »
I haven't submitted to Bookbub in probably 3 years. I got 12 Bookbubs before though. But the last 4-5 didn't do nearly as well as they used to. Just like everything else, results dwindle after a while. There are plenty of other places to promote. Bookbub is definitely not the only gang in town and Bookspry is pretty good. Me, Bookbub is no longer worth the money. For example, for free books, Stuff Your Kindle is way better so I try to get into that promo whenever I can.
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