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Formatter's Forge [Public] / Re: Widows and Orphans
« Last post by Bill Hiatt on April 17, 2025, 10:07:15 PM »
I do whatever Vellum does.

Vellum automatically eliminates widows and eliminates orphans only after a scene break, though I believe those settings are adjustable. Vellum also automatically spread balances (makes sure each set of facing pages have the same number of lines in each.

As far as old-school rules vs looking good, I'm not sure I can think of an example in which those principles conflict, but I'd go with looking good if they did.
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Formatter's Forge [Public] / Re: Widows and Orphans
« Last post by Post-Crisis D on April 17, 2025, 03:30:18 AM »
I also have a tiny illustration/dingbat that marks the end of a chapter so that gives me an additional challenge when faced with chapters that would otherwise end on the very bottom of the page.  So I have to tweak things so the dingbat will be on the bottom and not flow to a page by itself.

I also try to ensure that new chapters start on an odd-numbered page so a new chapter will always be on the right-hand page and not the left side.
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Formatter's Forge [Public] / Re: Widows and Orphans
« Last post by Vijaya on April 17, 2025, 12:56:53 AM »
RC, I will edit to make the page look good when formatting for paperback because I like having every chapter begin on a new page. So yes, def. no widows or orphans :)
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Formatter's Forge [Public] / Widows and Orphans
« Last post by R. C. on April 16, 2025, 11:36:30 PM »
After another round of research into the formatting of paperback books, I developed a wonder...

What's your rule on orphans and widows? 
Do you follow the "two line" rule?
Do you balance the pages?
Does "make it look good" override old-school rules?

TYIA

R.C.
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Publishers are still the way to go if you dream of bestseller lists and movie deals--but most trad published authors don't get either.

Self publishing may be the best shot at making a living. Data from Data Guy (before he vanished behind a paywall) suggested that a few years ago. But most self publishers don't get there.

The bottom line is that any road is going to be a hard road. Write because you love to write. Keep your day job until you've made a living on writing for several months. Celebrate whatever success you get. Have reasonable expectations. These are the keys to a happy life as a writer.
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Publisher's Office [Public] / Re: More folks need to go indie - Tradpub in Poland
« Last post by LilyBLily on April 15, 2025, 04:02:40 AM »
Back in the day, when a romance writer would get her first Harlequin contract and an advance of $1,200, the received wisdom was to plow it all back into promotion. The idea was to create enough sell-through to encourage Harlequin to offer a multi-book contract. At that time, back end royalties for a simple Harlequin could be around $18,000, so diverting the advance to promotion efforts was not using up a large percentage of your total earnings for the book. What I've heard in recent years is that the advance is all you'll get. A far different picture, and I understand the royalty break has hardly budged this century, too.

There remain today good reasons for dealing with trad pubs: them getting your books into physical bookstores, them getting you reviews from big deal reviewers and possibly attention from big name media, and them selling sub rights--especially to film/television/streaming as well as other markets. The value of that may not have a direct dollar figure but it is substantial. But if they don't do anything beyond getting your books into bookstores, they aren't doing their full job. At a conference I went to recently, a veteran publicist said the typical publisher's publicist has 30 titles to work on at a time and job churn is major. It follows that if yours isn't the lead title that month, you're not going to get much attention at all from these overworked people. So self-publishing and self-promotion don't seem like such a bad deal after all. You probably will end up doing more for your book than the publisher would.
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Publisher's Office [Public] / More folks need to go indie - Tradpub in Poland
« Last post by Hopscotch on April 15, 2025, 02:52:58 AM »
More folks need to go indie (and stop dreaming about good-hearted publishing houses):

'You can't make a living writing books in Poland': Royalty row erupts over bestseller's earnings
EuroNews   12/04/2025

"A best-selling Polish author's lawsuit against her publishing house has sparked a bitter battle over royalties...profits from any book sold [in Poland] are usually between 5 and 15% of the book's retail price....Distribution, production and dealer markup generate costs, but a sizable portion of the income from the work goes into the publisher's pocket....Even at a well-known publishing house, [an author reported that] she gets less than 1.5% of profits from sales....

"While an increasing number of authors are choosing alternative ways to go public, such as self-publishing or co-publishing a book, such a path is difficult and requires an investment of time and money.

"'Someone might say that [this best-selling author] could have self-published her book, but then there would be no promotion at all. I hope this case will change something in the attitude of publishing houses towards writers,'..."

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/04/12/you-cant-make-a-living-writing-books-in-poland-royalty-row-erupts-over-bestsellers-earning
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Publisher's Office [Public] / Re: Alliance of Independent Authors & Ingram Benefit
« Last post by alhawke on April 10, 2025, 01:50:27 PM »
Thanks, Lynn! It used to be for 5 revisions... Still considering...
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