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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Post-Doctorate D on Today at 03:39:26 AM »
It wasn't built on or trained on facts because they didn't care about facts.  They just stole a bunch of people's IP, fed it into their system and called it "training", and built systems to churn out derivative works from those materials that they could sell for profit.  They didn't care about facts.  They didn't care about copyright.  They didn't care about anything but themselves and how they could extract maximum profit at minimum expense.

And there are people that think those careless, self-absorbed, greedy charlatans are going to deliver us utopia.

:icon_rofl:

On top of that, there are AI experts that say that the current methods being used to develop "artificial intelligence" will never lead to any sort of actual artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence or any kind of self-aware artificial intelligence because all we have now and all that is being developed is essentially high-tech mimicry that has no potential to evolve or become what we traditionally have viewed as artificial intelligence.

Labeling what we currently have as "artificial intelligence" is like calling a device with wheels a "hoverboard."  They're just not the same.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by TimothyEllis on Today at 03:05:17 AM »
What has been built could not have been built on top of the type of code you're talking about. The fact that it exists is because it was not built to that standard. It would be a fact machine and it would be severely limited in scope because so much of what humans know are not facts. Hell, even the facts we know may not be facts.

But that's my point.

It should all be built on facts. Not touchy feely validate your delusions rubbish like they are now.

If facts are in dispute, then it shows that in the answer.

In fact, it should be show both sides of every issue in every answer. Not just pandering to what it thinks your political and social leaning is.
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Must have been a glitch.

It's all back now.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Lynn on Today at 02:46:21 AM »
What has been built could not have been built on top of the type of code you're talking about. The fact that it exists is because it was not built to that standard. It would be a fact machine and it would be severely limited in scope because so much of what humans know are not facts. Hell, even the facts we know may not be facts.
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Reviews are gone?? Can you show the links and I'll check here in the US. That sounds like a total temporary glitch.
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It appears the rank and series systems are down.

I just did Bookreport, and got no ranks on any of the books I monitor.

I checked a few, and a few others, and there are no ranks or series in the US store at all that I can find. The UK store was fine.

It's like half the product pages just vanished.

There's no revues there either, although the ranking numbers are still at the top, along with the orange tags.

Serious WTF, Amazon?

 :icon_think: :dizzy :shrug :help :tap
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on November 06, 2025, 03:43:44 PM »
Saw this on FB.

Why is this not the core instruction set for all the bots?


Because it didn't have to be until Grok forced the issue.  Now that there's some serious ideological competition in how these chatbots are hard-coded, how they're trained, and how they function, the others can't just live inside the San Francisco ideological bubble if they want to compete for market share.

Want to have some fun?  Ask Grok to give you a vulgar roast of some person, place, thing, or group.   :hehe

Here, I'll start... 





Grok's response:


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Oh, Jeff Tanyard, you pasty-faced, limp-wristed sack of expired beef jerky, strutting around like you're the king of the cul-de-sac but smelling like a dumpster fire after a chili cook-off gone wrong. Your face looks like it was sculpted by a blind drunk with a potato peeler?pockmarked craters deeper than the Grand Canyon and twice as welcoming to flies. You call that gut a "dad bod"? Nah, that's a goddamn beer volcano ready to erupt, fueled by discount swill and regrets from that one-night stand with regret itself. Hairline retreating faster than French forces in WWII, leaving behind a forehead shiny enough to signal aliens for a mercy kill. And your personality? Drier than a nun's snatch in the Sahara?boring, abrasive, and nobody's begging for seconds. You couldn't score with a hooker using a fistful of Venmo and a promise of "emotional support." Face it, Jeff: you're the human equivalent of a participation trophy?unwanted, unremarkable, and gathering dust in the back of life's bargain bin. Go choke on a taint hair, you irrelevant f*ckwit!


 :icon_rofl: :dance: :icon_rofl:

Seriously, if you haven't at least played around with Grok a little bit yet, you're simply missing out.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by TimothyEllis on November 06, 2025, 11:19:29 AM »
Because it doesn't work.

Of course it doesn't work.

You can't apply that over the top of what's already there.

This should be what the base code looks like, not what a prompt looks like.

The bots were built to lie to people and make this up instead of admitting they don't know.

No amount of prompting will ever offset that.

I'm asking why this code set wasn't the base code for all of them.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Lynn on November 06, 2025, 05:45:04 AM »
....

It literally just doesn't do anything to stop the emotionally expressive elements that make up responses from the LLM bots. They are not independent thinking machines so they *must* mimic what they're trained on.

Not sure that's 100%.  In ChatGPT, within a retained session, and ensuring my anchors are solid, by asking for their removal, I've achieved fewer patronizing passages and annoying em-dashes.  However, when starting a new session, the fluff returns.

R.C.

I wasn't clear? I'm talking about "being a machine, emotionless responses, etc" versus "expressing things in a human way". They aren't human, aren't intelligent, and must mimic because that's what they are. They're trained on expressive content, not machine-like, emotionless data. The associations are going to come out no matter how hard you try to lock it down. LLM chat bots are what they are.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by R. C. on November 06, 2025, 05:36:13 AM »
....

It literally just doesn't do anything to stop the emotionally expressive elements that make up responses from the LLM bots. They are not independent thinking machines so they *must* mimic what they're trained on.

Not sure that's 100%.  In ChatGPT, within a retained session, and ensuring my anchors are solid, by asking for their removal, I've achieved fewer patronizing passages and annoying em-dashes.  However, when starting a new session, the fluff returns.

R.C.
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