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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #300 on: June 11, 2021, 07:05:01 AM »
Eek! I applied for my first bookbub!!!

Good luck!
 
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Pemry Janes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #301 on: June 11, 2021, 03:43:00 PM »
Eek! I applied for my first bookbub!!!
Good luck!
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Jeff Tanyard

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #302 on: June 11, 2021, 04:28:58 PM »
Eek! I applied for my first bookbub!!!


Good luck!

And if you get turned down, don't sweat it.  I didn't get an acceptance until the thirteenth submission.  And there are others who have had far more rejections than that before getting their first acceptances.
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notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #303 on: June 11, 2021, 08:06:02 PM »
Eek! I applied for my first bookbub!!!
Fingers crossed for you!
 
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JRTomlin

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #304 on: June 12, 2021, 01:21:11 AM »
Gah! I was so sure I had price changes on Amazon down pat. (reminder to self: never brag)

I did my Amazon price change to 99 manually rather than depend on a price match. When the promotion ended, I changed all the wide prices back but not Amazon. Once I checked that the other price changes had gone through, I changed Amazon quite sure that I would avoid a price-match. And Amazon still price matched to prices no longer in effect! *tears hair out*

Email them and received their 'we'll take a few days to think about it' response. 🤦‍♀️
 
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alhawke

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #305 on: June 12, 2021, 02:55:25 AM »
Email them and received their 'we'll take a few days to think about it' response. 🤦‍♀️
It's super irritating.  :HB  I'm surprised when I don't have problems now.


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alhawke

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #306 on: June 13, 2021, 04:49:15 AM »
 :rant Just realized my new book is still "price matched" at $0.99 in Amazon Canada after two weeks.  :rant


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idontknowyet

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #307 on: June 13, 2021, 05:25:33 AM »
I am totally not shocked that i didn't get my bookbub.

Refusal #1
 

JRTomlin

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #308 on: June 13, 2021, 05:33:02 AM »
I *think* all my 'price matching' is fixed now, but I might have missed something. *heavy sigh*

I am totally not shocked that i didn't get my bookbub.

Refusal #1
It's always good to get that first one out of the way. Better luck next time!
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #309 on: June 13, 2021, 05:35:31 AM »
I am totally not shocked that i didn't get my bookbub.

Refusal #1

Better luck next time!   :smilie_zauber:
 
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Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #310 on: June 13, 2021, 08:01:14 AM »
I am totally not shocked that i didn't get my bookbub.

Refusal #1

You're not missing much. These days I prefer to use tactics I can control like the click ads and promo stack you're running. You don't need anyone's approval to do that!
 
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JRTomlin

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #311 on: June 13, 2021, 08:39:45 AM »
I am totally not shocked that i didn't get my bookbub.

Refusal #1

You're not missing much. These days I prefer to use tactics I can control like the click ads and promo stack you're running. You don't need anyone's approval to do that!
I totally sympathise and use those tactics as well. Unfortunately, none of them bring me the results of BB promotion. I sincerely wish they did. It is way beyond irritating that we cannot properly plan our promotions.
 
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Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #312 on: June 13, 2021, 02:11:17 PM »
I am totally not shocked that i didn't get my bookbub.

Refusal #1

You're not missing much. These days I prefer to use tactics I can control like the click ads and promo stack you're running. You don't need anyone's approval to do that!
I totally sympathise and use those tactics as well. Unfortunately, none of them bring me the results of BB promotion. I sincerely wish they did. It is way beyond irritating that we cannot properly plan our promotions.

I agree with that when it comes to the full deals (US & International), but they're close to impossible for little indies to get these days. The international-only deals aren't as good by a long distance. In fact they're so poor that I don't think they're worth doing.
 
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JRTomlin

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #313 on: June 14, 2021, 02:15:49 AM »
This one I combined with a BB click ad and a couple of other promos and it was all right, not great but worth doing.

ETA: I am definitely a 'little indie'. Having had quite a few BB promos including in the recent past, I feel safe in saying that it is not impossible to get one. It is difficult. It almost always takes a number of tries and is definitely discouraging. It isn't fun getting 8 or 10 rejections before you get one. But it can eventually pay off.
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Simon Haynes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #314 on: June 22, 2021, 02:43:26 PM »
Just got another intl bookbub deal. Applied last night my time, accepted when I checked this morning.

The promo is for the 3rd of July, and I'm going to discount the book in question for the whole month. (Makes it much easier to book all the US-centric promos with their lengthy lead times.)

I'm 5 for 5 with submissions/acceptances with BB recently, all of them international alas, but I will never turn my nose up at those.

What surprises me is that I still have books which ran BBs 'recently' (to me) and it turns out they were 2 years ago.
 
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alhawke

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #315 on: June 22, 2021, 03:04:12 PM »
I'm 5 for 5 with submissions/acceptances with BB recently
Awesomeness!  :dance:


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notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #316 on: June 22, 2021, 08:46:41 PM »
Just got another intl bookbub deal. Applied last night my time, accepted when I checked this morning.

The promo is for the 3rd of July, and I'm going to discount the book in question for the whole month. (Makes it much easier to book all the US-centric promos with their lengthy lead times.)

I'm 5 for 5 with submissions/acceptances with BB recently, all of them international alas, but I will never turn my nose up at those.

What surprises me is that I still have books which ran BBs 'recently' (to me) and it turns out they were 2 years ago.
Congratulations and good luck!
 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #317 on: June 22, 2021, 10:51:39 PM »
Just got another intl bookbub deal. Applied last night my time, accepted when I checked this morning.

The promo is for the 3rd of July, and I'm going to discount the book in question for the whole month. (Makes it much easier to book all the US-centric promos with their lengthy lead times.)

I'm 5 for 5 with submissions/acceptances with BB recently, all of them international alas, but I will never turn my nose up at those.

What surprises me is that I still have books which ran BBs 'recently' (to me) and it turns out they were 2 years ago.


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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #318 on: June 23, 2021, 03:08:30 AM »
I have one more women's fiction title published and once this latest international is over I will submit that last book. I don't expect it to get accepted, but I might do a U.S.-only 99-cent discount stack next month on my own and see if I can get anywhere with it. I'm still picking up full-price sales based on the other combo promos spearheaded by the international BookBub ads. There definitely is a small tail.
 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #319 on: June 23, 2021, 10:22:40 PM »
I should probably put this under "Shooting myself in the foot." My promo stack for this month's international BookBub starts today and for some reason I had "Manually reduce the Amazon price" on my calendar for today also.

 :icon_redface:

When I got to the "It could take up to 72 hours" screen I realized my error. Oops.

 :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :shrug

But all's well that ends well, since Amazon sent me the confirmation email early this morning. Let the games begin!

 :tup3b
 
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notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #320 on: June 24, 2021, 08:55:19 PM »
Good luck!
 

Gerri Attrick

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #321 on: June 24, 2021, 09:34:25 PM »
Good luck, Simon and Lily.

I'm thinking of applying to Bookbub again. Book 5 in my mystery series is due to be published on 23rd July - it is currently on pre-order. All the books are in KU and I have never run a free promo on any of them, but I'm thinking of making the first in the series free to help promote the new release.

The question is, when should I do it? A week before? The same day? A week after? I've really no idea what will work best.

If I can't get a BB (or even if I do) I'll probably apply to Fussy Librarian. They've worked well for me in the past on a permafree first in another series.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #322 on: June 24, 2021, 09:41:03 PM »
Speculating that when the new release is not a pre-order anymore and new readers can have instant gratification would work best for sell-through. If you'll have a batch of reviews within the first week, that might sway BB, too. Certainly mention to BB that the proposed ad would coincide with a new release (which you already will have BB sending to your followers, right?).

Simon, go for the gold.  :banana-riding-llama-smiley-em
 
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Simon Haynes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #323 on: June 25, 2021, 02:50:09 PM »
Got an email from Amazon last week asking if I was interested in a Kindle Deal on a different book (first in series) for amazon.co.uk.  I've had these before and they never eventuated, so I just clicked yes and forgot about it.

Well, it got accepted, and that book is a 99p featured deal for the month of July on amazon UK.  I've not had one of these in my 10+ years as an indie author, but to be honest my expectations are low as I've heard from various sources it's not that much of a thing.

 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #324 on: June 25, 2021, 09:07:59 PM »
Got an email from Amazon last week asking if I was interested in a Kindle Deal on a different book (first in series) for amazon.co.uk.  I've had these before and they never eventuated, so I just clicked yes and forgot about it.

Well, it got accepted, and that book is a 99p featured deal for the month of July on amazon UK.  I've not had one of these in my 10+ years as an indie author, but to be honest my expectations are low as I've heard from various sources it's not that much of a thing.

Still, it could mean a trickle of additional attention and revenue.  :tup3b
 
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Simon Haynes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #325 on: June 25, 2021, 09:34:04 PM »
Absolutely, and if I had to pick a book of mine which is perfect for the UK market, it's this one.
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #326 on: June 26, 2021, 11:19:30 PM »
Got an email from Amazon last week asking if I was interested in a Kindle Deal on a different book (first in series) for amazon.co.uk.  I've had these before and they never eventuated, so I just clicked yes and forgot about it.

Well, it got accepted, and that book is a 99p featured deal for the month of July on amazon UK.  I've not had one of these in my 10+ years as an indie author, but to be honest my expectations are low as I've heard from various sources it's not that much of a thing.
Good luck with it.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #327 on: June 27, 2021, 03:04:39 AM »
So far, I am not sanguine about this international BookBub. I thought the ad copy BB wrote was particularly weak, and I am not surprised that the sales reported are meh. I think it's possible I will break even but I would be shocked if there was a profit. Bummer.

Additionally, I just checked my BookBub click ad--which shows the discount price of 99 cents on the ad--and it was delivering clicks at 83 and 84 cents per click. I've stopped it cold. It had a hard budget limit of $30 and just spent half in the last three hours. I might be able to ascribe 8 sales to Kobo, but I won't know about Apple until tomorrow and I am not optimistic enough to chance it. The click price is way too high. Correct me if I am wrong about stopping this ad, and I will turn it on again. 
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alhawke

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #328 on: June 27, 2021, 03:09:16 AM »
So far, I am not sanguine about this international BookBub. I thought the ad copy BB wrote was particularly weak, and I am not surprised that the sales reported are meh. I think it's possible I will break even but I would be shocked if there was a profit. Bummer. 
Hopefully you'll put out in the end with a tail. My international BB did. Something to consider is that in the US we're in vacation-everyone-go-out-and-play-post-covid mode. I really think this is effecting sales. Unfortunately, I have a big non BB promo scheduled in two weeks and I have a feeling the state of the world will effect mine too.
(BookBub update: at 15 rejections since my last BookBub and counting  :HB


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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #329 on: June 27, 2021, 03:24:58 AM »
So far, I am not sanguine about this international BookBub. I thought the ad copy BB wrote was particularly weak, and I am not surprised that the sales reported are meh. I think it's possible I will break even but I would be shocked if there was a profit. Bummer. 
Hopefully you'll put out in the end with a tail. My international BB did. Something to consider is that in the US we're in vacation-everyone-go-out-and-play-post-covid mode. I really think this is effecting sales. Unfortunately, I have a big non BB promo scheduled in two weeks and I have a feeling the state of the world will effect mine too.
(BookBub update: at 15 rejections since my last BookBub and counting  :HB

Thanks. This meager showing puts a different spin on my immediate plans, as my edit to the above post shows. I've stopped the BB click ad since it is hemorrhaging. I'll send out my newsletter a day earlier than planned and do my social media announcements sooner, too.   
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #330 on: June 27, 2021, 03:27:36 AM »
And I have that Hello Books ad scheduled for late next week (they come out on Fridays) when many people will be busy with family reunions and bbqs and all the rest for Fourth of July.  I don't know whether to :HB or to  :smilie_zauber:
 

alhawke

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #331 on: June 27, 2021, 06:15:50 AM »
And I have that Hello Books ad scheduled for late next week (they come out on Fridays) when many people will be busy with family reunions and bbqs and all the rest for Fourth of July.  I don't know whether to :HB or to  :smilie_zauber:
I've never used Hello Books. It's a Facebooks group promotion, right??
I'd just run your ad. There's just know way to tell. My blitz starts the week after on the week of July 12th and I'm sure I'm facing summer travel/bbq stuff then too but I'm carrying on.


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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #332 on: June 27, 2021, 06:40:55 AM »
It's Facebook. I had thought it might cut into full-price sales that would be sell-through from this BookBub, but now I doubt such an unsuccessful BB ad will produce sell-through. So it will be a more or less clean slate test of Hello Books.

On the positive side, the ratings are still rolling in for the title that was featured in my second BB international ad. Getting something like 70 new ratings without forking over a couple hundred dollars to review sites is just as good as money in the bank to me. (That never happened the two times I did free runs of other titles, by the way. People grabbed the books but did not read them. Guess they liked the cover art.)
 
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Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #333 on: June 27, 2021, 08:59:42 PM »
So far, I am not sanguine about this international BookBub. I thought the ad copy BB wrote was particularly weak, and I am not surprised that the sales reported are meh. I think it's possible I will break even but I would be shocked if there was a profit. Bummer.

Additionally, I just checked my BookBub click ad--which shows the discount price of 99 cents on the ad--and it was delivering clicks at 83 and 84 cents per click. I've stopped it cold. It had a hard budget limit of $30 and just spent half in the last three hours. I might be able to ascribe 8 sales to Kobo, but I won't know about Apple until tomorrow and I am not optimistic enough to chance it. The click price is way too high. Correct me if I am wrong about stopping this ad, and I will turn it on again.

Sorry to hear you've had a bad international BookBub.

One of the problems with the leaner margins on the international-only deals is it doesn't take much to turn it from a bit profitable to a bit not. The full deals (international plus US) accommodate lower sales simply because they sell so well.

I won't do any international-only anymore and BookBub won't give me a US, so I guess we've parted ways. I'm sure they won't miss me. Lol.

 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #334 on: June 29, 2021, 12:41:53 AM »
One of the shockers about this failed international ad is that so far--and this is the last day of the promo--I've had exactly one sale on Barnes & Noble total. Late reporting? I don't think so. Very late or screwed up reporting? Maybe. A bad link? BookBub tests all the links in advance AFAIK to make sure the titles are discounted. When I was missing one market on a prior ad, they emailed me to alert me. The B&N store shows the book discounted, too. It's a mystery. Even Google Play, a venue where my books normally seem to be invisible, reports many more sales than B&N this time around.

Currently, this BB ad has paid for itself but not yet earned out the other ads I stacked. It's going to be close, unless B&N suddenly reports a bunch of missing sales. 


 
 

Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #335 on: June 29, 2021, 12:46:47 AM »
One of the shockers about this failed international ad is that so far--and this is the last day of the promo--I've had exactly one sale on Barnes & Noble total. Late reporting? I don't think so. Very late or screwed up reporting? Maybe. A bad link? BookBub tests all the links in advance AFAIK to make sure the titles are discounted. When I was missing one market on a prior ad, they emailed me to alert me. The B&N store shows the book discounted, too. It's a mystery. Even Google Play, a venue where my books normally seem to be invisible, reports many more sales than B&N this time around.

Currently, this BB ad has paid for itself but not yet earned out the other ads I stacked. It's going to be close, unless B&N suddenly reports a bunch of missing sales.

B&N can be slow to report or even miss entirely. I had a 8 days of zero sales and wrote to B&N. Sure enough they had a glitch and the sales were reported for all days.

I would write to them. Tell them you had a BookBub and get them to check the sales report.
 
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RiverRun

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #336 on: June 29, 2021, 01:31:02 AM »
I had a book ad this week with Hello Books. I made it free in KU for 5 days, with the ad running on the third day. First couple days I gave away 50 books or so a day (no promotion). Day of the ad I gave away over 400. (genre is historical mystery) In case you want something to compare it to. Fussy librarian was double that, (the only other ad I've had for this book) but since Hello Books is new, I didn't expect much. No sell thru because I have not finished the next book in the series yet. It was mostly a low cost way to have something moving on my kdp page:) And, theoretically, to gain more visibility, ratings, etc.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #337 on: June 29, 2021, 03:20:32 AM »

B&N can be slow to report or even miss entirely. I had a 8 days of zero sales and wrote to B&N. Sure enough they had a glitch and the sales were reported for all days.

I would write to them. Tell them you had a BookBub and get them to check the sales report.

Great idea. I will do that.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #338 on: June 29, 2021, 03:29:26 AM »
I had a book ad this week with Hello Books. I made it free in KU for 5 days, with the ad running on the third day. First couple days I gave away 50 books or so a day (no promotion). Day of the ad I gave away over 400. (genre is historical mystery) In case you want something to compare it to. Fussy librarian was double that, (the only other ad I've had for this book) but since Hello Books is new, I didn't expect much. No sell thru because I have not finished the next book in the series yet. It was mostly a low cost way to have something moving on my kdp page:) And, theoretically, to gain more visibility, ratings, etc.

Mine is this coming weekend, at 99 cents. I'm not promoting it anywhere else during the weekend sale period because I want to see exactly what Hello Books can do for me on its own. Also because that title has already been seen via a sales stack surrounding a BookBub international ad and I want this discount to appear to a totally new audience.
 

Jeff Tanyard

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #339 on: June 29, 2021, 05:36:09 AM »
One of the shockers about this failed international ad is that so far--and this is the last day of the promo--I've had exactly one sale on Barnes & Noble total.


That doesn't really surprise me.  B&N is an American retailer, by which I mean it's the "least international" of the major retailers.
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Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #340 on: June 29, 2021, 05:48:26 AM »
One of the shockers about this failed international ad is that so far--and this is the last day of the promo--I've had exactly one sale on Barnes & Noble total.


That doesn't really surprise me.  B&N is an American retailer, by which I mean it's the "least international" of the major retailers.

Lol. I've just realized lilybily ran an international-only, which might explain why there aren't any B&N sales.

PS I'd still check with B&N to be sure.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #341 on: June 29, 2021, 07:12:10 AM »
One of the shockers about this failed international ad is that so far--and this is the last day of the promo--I've had exactly one sale on Barnes & Noble total.


That doesn't really surprise me.  B&N is an American retailer, by which I mean it's the "least international" of the major retailers.

Lol. I've just realized lilybily ran an international-only, which might explain why there aren't any B&N sales.

PS I'd still check with B&N to be sure.

They haven't answered yet. The previous BB international ads resulted in hundreds of sales, which quite surprised me. This book has been advertised to U.S. readers on BB in a click ad and on a couple of ad newsletters and in my own newsletter. It's unlikely that every single sale from all those U.S. ads would be on Amazon and zero would be on B&N. 
 

Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #342 on: June 29, 2021, 07:48:44 AM »
One of the shockers about this failed international ad is that so far--and this is the last day of the promo--I've had exactly one sale on Barnes & Noble total.


That doesn't really surprise me.  B&N is an American retailer, by which I mean it's the "least international" of the major retailers.

Lol. I've just realized lilybily ran an international-only, which might explain why there aren't any B&N sales.

PS I'd still check with B&N to be sure.

They haven't answered yet. The previous BB international ads resulted in hundreds of sales, which quite surprised me. This book has been advertised to U.S. readers on BB in a click ad and on a couple of ad newsletters and in my own newsletter. It's unlikely that every single sale from all those U.S. ads would be on Amazon and zero would be on B&N.

Must be discounting in the US and your other ads that get you the sales on B&N. I never discount the US for international-only Bookbubs, so I never get any sales on B&N.

But I'm pretty sure you have sales. When this happened to me, they checked their reports and said I had sales, but to give them a day or two to filter through. When they turned up, the sales dated back to the day they had stopped.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #343 on: July 02, 2021, 05:20:06 AM »
Still no answer from B&N after writing them a second time. The sales page remains amazingly empty.

Absent those potential sales, this third international BB ad has just squeaked by into profitability, but was hardly worth my time and effort to create the sales stack and make all the pricing changes and then police them. Amazon did promptly put my regular price back up, but Google, which is not supposed to require manual intervention, had to be manually adjusted anyway.

I doubt I will want to submit to BB again for another six months. I've learned a few things and made a small profit, but it wasn't life-changing. Fun to watch the numbers, though.
 
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Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #344 on: July 02, 2021, 05:43:46 AM »
Still no answer from B&N after writing them a second time. The sales page remains amazingly empty.

Absent those potential sales, this third international BB ad has just squeaked by into profitability, but was hardly worth my time and effort to create the sales stack and make all the pricing changes and then police them. Amazon did promptly put my regular price back up, but Google, which is not supposed to require manual intervention, had to be manually adjusted anyway.

I doubt I will want to submit to BB again for another six months. I've learned a few things and made a small profit, but it wasn't life-changing. Fun to watch the numbers, though.

Annoying, isn't it? I wouldn't mind so much if BookBub hadn't practically hard lined us out of the US deals. Trying to force us to settle for international-only is taking indies for granted to say the least.

I remember when BookBub wouldn't even give most indies the time of day (other than a handful of blessed ones who they regularly advertised). In 2017, BookBub widened their net and people like me finally got US/international deals. The blessed ones found themselves no longer getting as many BookBub deals and their sales tanked. More than a few learned their success was thanks to BookBub rather than their assumed genius.

But by 2020, I and others noticed BookBub deals weren't performing as well, and by 2021 we've been booted out. I know some people say it's because trad are taking the slots, but maybe they're getting the slots because the indies aren't getting as many sales anymore. Trad probably aren't getting the same level of sales from BookBub either, but they're no doubt doing better than most indies.

It makes me wonder if BookBub's glory days are over, and that this is inevitable impact of PPC ads and author mail lists.

Anyway, sorry your ad didn't do as well but at least you made a small profit. As for B&N, they can be slow to respond.
 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #345 on: July 02, 2021, 09:57:00 AM »
B&N sent me a "You're an idiot who can't read a dashboard" reply complete with helpful descriptions of all the (currently blank) sales charts. I wrote back and reiterated that they should investigate.

It is of course theoretically possible that among the many hundreds of cheap sales this round of ads produced, only one was on B&N. I don't believe it. Or maybe the link BookBub used was broken. But they test. Or maybe the links on the other ads were all broken. Maybe? Nah.

 

Tweek

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #346 on: July 02, 2021, 10:41:49 AM »
That response from B&N surprises me. I raised exactly the same question this year. Eight days of no sales (which wasn't believable based on my usual sales pattern). I got a polite response explaining there had been a glitch and the sales would appear over the next few days.

I've always found their customer support to be adequate rather than good or exceptional.

BookBub will know how many clicks they got on the B&N link. Maybe follow up with them and ask if there was a problem.
 
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Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #347 on: July 05, 2021, 06:56:27 AM »
I submitted my fourth women's fiction novel to BookBub but only for an international deal. Hemmed and hawed and decided "Why not?" YOLO, and so on.
 

Rod Little

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #348 on: July 05, 2021, 02:09:12 PM »
So far, I am not sanguine about this international BookBub. I thought the ad copy BB wrote was particularly weak, and I am not surprised that the sales reported are meh. I think it's possible I will break even but I would be shocked if there was a profit. Bummer. 

Their ad copy for mine was weak, too, and demonstrated they had no idea what my book was about. The int'l BB had mediocre results. I think it was break-even with some minor sell-thru.
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #349 on: July 05, 2021, 10:04:41 PM »
So far, I am not sanguine about this international BookBub. I thought the ad copy BB wrote was particularly weak, and I am not surprised that the sales reported are meh. I think it's possible I will break even but I would be shocked if there was a profit. Bummer. 

Their ad copy for mine was weak, too, and demonstrated they had no idea what my book was about. The int'l BB had mediocre results. I think it was break-even with some minor sell-thru.

That's a shame. 

With the current submission I basically wrote the ad copy in the comment section, since that one also needs the right copy or forget it. BB is a shiny object that distracts. I'm almost ready to move on. 

BookBub is now sending me a separate newsletter filled with trad pub titles, all of them $1.99 and up. The advertisers are paying a lot for these, but there is nothing in my BB buying history to encourage BB to believe I'd buy any of these books.  And there's a third that claims to be new releases discounted. And then there are all the partner newsletters pushing their blog and their simplistic advice. I can't be the only person who feels inundated with newsletters from this one company. That has to affect the effectiveness of their main newsletter.
 
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