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Terms of service change
« on: July 20, 2021, 12:30:58 PM »
did everyone just receive and email from amazon changing their terms of service to now allow more than arbitration. 
 

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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2021, 12:38:48 PM »
Nope. I checked the Message Center on my Amazon account and there's nothing there, either. 

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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2021, 12:42:22 PM »
Yes. Lobbed in a short time ago.

Major change:

Arbitration has been replaced by court (without jury) in a specific state in the US.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2021, 01:39:33 PM »
Yes. Lobbed in a short time ago.

Major change:

Arbitration has been replaced by court (without jury) in a specific state in the US.

Sounds like Amazon lost a lawsuit.
 

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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2021, 01:50:09 PM »
Sounds like Amazon lost a lawsuit.

Or someone challenged them in court over being able to limit legal options in ToS to just arbitration.

And they lost.

Not sure you call that a lawsuit.

But they obviously lost something.
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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2021, 02:45:40 PM »
A little googling turned up this.  It's behind a paywall, but you can read the first few paragraphs.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-faced-75-000-arbitration-demands-now-it-says-fine-sue-us-11622547000
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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2021, 02:50:27 PM »
A little googling turned up this.  It's behind a paywall, but you can read the first few paragraphs.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-faced-75-000-arbitration-demands-now-it-says-fine-sue-us-11622547000

I classify that as 'lost something'.  grint
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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2021, 02:54:22 PM »
Sounds like Amazon lost a lawsuit.

Or someone challenged them in court over being able to limit legal options in ToS to just arbitration.

And they lost.

Not sure you call that a lawsuit.

But they obviously lost something.

Nope. They didn't lose anything.

They had 75,000 arbitration cases filed against them. It's a strategy that has been effective in getting companies in front of judges (and in some cases juries). In this case, the 75,000 arbitration filings meant Amazon got a bill for over $10 million, since by their own TOS, they pay the filing fees.

While dropping arbitration completely is an unusual response, I can see Amazon wanting this to go to court. It's Alexa users suing for Alexa recording them. Obviously Amazon thinks they have a decent enough case to be willing to take on these 75,000 plaintiffs in a class-action suit. (Door Dash, Lyft, and Uber all still use arbitration despite getting bombed with cases too, though not 75,000, I think Door Dash had like 5000 cases filed.)
 
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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2021, 03:01:17 PM »
Nope. They didn't lose anything.

They had 75,000 arbitration cases filed against them. It's a strategy that has been effective in getting companies in front of judges (and in some cases juries). In this case, the 75,000 arbitration filings meant Amazon got a bill for over $10 million, since by their own TOS, they pay the filing fees.

I saw that. I still call it losing.  :icon_mrgreen:

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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2021, 10:03:30 PM »
...It's behind a paywall, but you can read the first few paragraphs...

It is not 100%, if you open the link in an incognito window, or the Epic browser, the whole page/article is viewable.

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Re: Terms of service change
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2021, 01:00:55 AM »
...It's behind a paywall, but you can read the first few paragraphs...

It is not 100%, if you open the link in an incognito window, or the Epic browser, the whole page/article is viewable.

Sometimes turning off JavaScript in your browser works too.
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