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Signature Tool (not functional at the moment)
« on: October 27, 2018, 03:16:18 PM »
Al Stevens has been building us a slick new Signature Tool.

It is very different from the one at KB. As you will see if you look at it.

Alpha testers needed, who will feedback here so Al can fine tune.

This is a test version, so do your best to break it, but also if you get something you can use, please post it in your signature so we can see it live. Maybe add "Signature Tool alpha test" to your sig as you build it (there is 2 places to put this) so we can see if someone is using it.

All feedback welcome.

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 12:20:06 AM »
There's a minor bug in the program. When you select a book in the signature by clicking its cover, it takes on a red border to tell you it's selected. When you shift the cover right or left, the red border accompanies the book in the move. But sometimes the program forgets that the selected book is selected, and a subsequent shift does nothing. You have to deselect the cover by clicking it and re-select it by clicking it again.
     
 
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 12:42:34 AM »
This was very easy to use. Thanks Al!
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 12:59:53 AM »
It looks great. I'll do a formal test as soon as I get time.


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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2018, 01:51:59 AM »
When I do the initial search step, it finds some of my books but not others.

I put "Masha du Toit" in the author field. The books that it doesn't find are "The Story Trap" and "The Real"  It found my other books.

ETA the above only happens if I check "Title". If I check "author" then all the books show up.
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2018, 01:58:20 AM »
Also, is it possible to have some kind of visual difference (even if it's just grouping them together) between the buttons used for paging through search results, and the buttons used for adding to the sig? And make the add book button look just a bit different? It took me an embarrassingly long time to notice that button.

e.g.

[first page][prev page][next page][lastpage]        [add book]      [Amazon]
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2018, 02:06:23 AM »
...and the image resizes when I click on it. 
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2018, 02:38:14 AM »
When I do the initial search step, it finds some of my books but not others.

I put "Masha du Toit" in the author field. The books that it doesn't find are "The Story Trap" and "The Real"  It found my other books.

ETA the above only happens if I check "Title". If I check "author" then all the books show up.
Amazon's search engine isn't finding some of your titles. They do a key word search when you type a title into their own search box.  I did a key word search with their engine and with our Signature Tool on "A Story Trap," and it showed up as the 9th book in their response.
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2018, 02:40:01 AM »
...and the image resizes when I click on it.
Yeah, that's a bug in the SMF software. The same thing happens at KBoards.
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2018, 02:46:21 AM »
e.g.

[first page][prev page][next page][lastpage]        [add book]      [Amazon]
I put spaces in. See if that helps.
     
 
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2018, 02:47:54 AM »
I'm testing to see if my signature test has a positive test result :)
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2018, 02:48:17 AM »
I'm testing to see if my signature test has a positive test result :)

Somehow it lost the text. I will try again :)

All fixed! Totally operator error :) Didn't see the "ok" box.
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2018, 02:49:15 AM »
e.g.

[first page][prev page][next page][lastpage]        [add book]      [Amazon]
I put spaces in. See if that helps.

That's better, thanks!
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2018, 02:56:31 AM »
...and the image resizes when I click on it.
Yeah, that's a bug in the SMF software. The same thing happens at KBoards.

I don't know if this helps, but if you specify height with
._SL125 _before the file extension in the image address instead of with
Code: [Select]
[height =x] then the resizing doesn't happen.
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2018, 04:21:19 AM »
I don't know if this helps, but if you specify height with
._SL125 _before the file extension in the image address instead of with
Code: [Select]
[height =x] then the resizing doesn't happen.
It still does the resizing. I just plugged 125 into the url filenames and the <img> tags, and the forum still displays each cover smaller than that and resizes it when I click on it. There is an admin setting for maximum image height in a signature. I changed that too in my test forum, and it had no effect.
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2018, 04:24:52 AM »
Really? I must be wrong, then. I used to use that myself and I swear I tested it to check it doesn't resize!  :icon_redface: must have been some kind of digital placebo effect.
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2018, 01:53:30 PM »
Really? I must be wrong, then. I used to use that myself and I swear I tested it to check it doesn't resize!  :icon_redface: must have been some kind of digital placebo effect.
As I recall, if the host, in this case Writer Sanctum, calls for an image he same or larger than the one you provide, it won't get larger when you click on it. It's just when you provide a bigger image than they support.
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2018, 04:17:06 PM »
I don't know if this helps, but if you specify height with
._SL125 _before the file extension in the image address instead of with
Code: [Select]
[height =x] then the resizing doesn't happen.
It still does the resizing. I just plugged 125 into the url filenames and the <img> tags, and the forum still displays each cover smaller than that and resizes it when I click on it. There is an admin setting for maximum image height in a signature. I changed that too in my test forum, and it had no effect.

OK I had a proper look at the code, and saw that there were two different tags for image height, referring to different height amounts. There was a  (height = 150) and there was also a ._lS160_. in the image address.  When I make them the same, the image resizing no longer happens, as far as I can see.
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2018, 05:58:05 PM »
There's a minor bug in the program. When you select a book in the signature by clicking its cover, it takes on a red border to tell you it's selected. When you shift the cover right or left, the red border accompanies the book in the move. But sometimes the program forgets that the selected book is selected, and a subsequent shift does nothing. You have to deselect the cover by clicking it and re-select it by clicking it again.
I think I got that one fixed.
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2018, 06:26:45 PM »
OK I had a proper look at the code, and saw that there were two different tags for image height, referring to different height amounts. There was a  (height = 150) and there was also a ._lS160_. in the image address.  When I make them the same, the image resizing no longer happens, as far as I can see.
Good catch. I just fixed the software to make them the same. I had to delete the books in my signature and rebuild it, though, because the stored signature with the 160 kept taking precedence. Thanks for the help on that. It's been bugging me for a while.

ETA: Except it didn't fix it here. It did on my test forum. It must have something to do with the Admin signature settings for image size. Oh, well.

Oops. It does work here. Now I can die happy.
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2018, 06:29:12 PM »
Yay! Glad to be able to help. Thanks for all your work.
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2018, 06:43:38 PM »
You bet. I took on this project to get up to speed on some website building technologies that had passed me by since I retired. It's been a real eye-opener just coming to understand the differences between Javascript and PHP. Next on my list is AJAX. There'd be a lot less flicker in the page flipping if I'd know why AJAX and maybe JQuery are a better way to go. Trouble is, it's kept me up at night.  Grin
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2018, 08:41:41 AM »
I've begun a small user's manual for the Signature Tool. There's a circle-I icon in the upper right corner of the window. Click that icon to view the manual. It's in its infancy, and as time permits, I'll add to it. If anyone wants to take a shot at it, let me know. I'll post the source document.

http://www.alstevens.com/forum/Sources/Link

     
 

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2018, 09:17:29 AM »
I couldn't get it to work at all.
 

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2018, 09:23:29 AM »
I couldn't get it to work at all.

Am I ever glad you wrote that!!! I thought I was being an absolute twit, newb, dunderhead, idiot...you get the picture? :HB
 

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2018, 09:31:55 AM »
I couldn't get it to work at all.

Am I ever glad you wrote that!!! I thought I was being an absolute twit, newb, dunderhead, idiot...you get the picture? :HB
Yeah, I put my name in and hit search, and it looks like the get action happened, but nothing showed up in the retrieved books section.

I guess we should tell Al what computer, operating system and browser we're running...

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2018, 10:11:26 AM »
I put in "Mark Lee Gardner" and got three books. M.L. Gardner (no space between the initials, one space ahead of Gardner) returned several pages of books. I also see M.E. Garner and M.A. Gardner in there somewhere. You have to spell it the way Amazon has it listed, otherwise you don't get the hits you want. If you use several spellings on different books or pen names, do a search with each name, adding the books to your signature as you go along.

When I can't find something, I put the name in as key words. That's how amazon does all their searches on titles and authors.
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2018, 10:13:50 AM »
I couldn't get it to work at all.

Am I ever glad you wrote that!!! I thought I was being an absolute twit, newb, dunderhead, idiot...you get the picture? :HB
It would be helpful if you could tell us what you tried and what the results were. Thanks.
     
 

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2018, 10:14:22 AM »
I put in "Mark Lee Gardner" and got three books. M.L. Gardner (no space between the initials, one space ahead of Gardner) returned several pages of books. I also see M.E. Garner in there somewhere. You have to spell it the way Amazon has it listed, otherwise you don't get the hits you want. If you use several spellings on different books or pen names, do a search with each name, adding the books to your signature as you go along.

When I can't find something, I put the name in as key words. That's how amazon does all their searches on titles and authors.
When I enter "Mark Gardner" I don't get anything. I do when I do "Mark Lee Gardner." I get nothing when I do "M. A. Gardner."
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2018, 10:15:32 AM »

Yeah, I put my name in and hit search, and it looks like the get action happened, but nothing showed up in the retrieved books section.

I got a little further than that. Reached my books okay, or at least the pictures only, not linked to Amazon books. When I tried to move them to the other section and copied code, all that ended up in my signature was code.


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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2018, 10:28:39 AM »
I got a little further than that. Reached my books okay, or at least the pictures only, not linked to Amazon books. When I tried to move them to the other section and copied code, all that ended up in my signature was code.
In the retrieved panel, you see the covers for the books that Amazon found. You have to move them one by one into the Signature.

1.Click on a book in the Retrieved panel. Its border turns red to show that it is selected.
2. To deselect a book, click on it again.
2. Click the Add Book button to move the selected book into the signature. The cover should now appear in the Signature panel between the text fields.
Repeat those two steps for each book you want in your signature.
3. When your signature is done, click the Copy BBCode code.
4. Go to the Forum Profiles here and paste the new code into the Signature box. If there's already code there, delete it first.

Does that help? This is why I'm writing a user's guide. Until then, just ask questions.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2018, 10:31:24 AM by Al Stevens »
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2018, 10:58:25 AM »
I can't get Safari to run the program or even go to my website. It says it can't make a secure connection with my server. It didn't do that before I upgraded, and none of the other browsers do it. I looked for a security option that would bypass that but didn't find one.

This is on Windows. There are many fixes out there for this problem with Mac users. The solutions don't apply to the Windows version.
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2018, 11:27:26 AM »
I got a little further than that. Reached my books okay, or at least the pictures only, not linked to Amazon books. When I tried to move them to the other section and copied code, all that ended up in my signature was code.
In the retrieved panel, you see the covers for the books that Amazon found. You have to move them one by one into the Signature.

1.Click on a book in the Retrieved panel. Its border turns red to show that it is selected.
2. To deselect a book, click on it again.
2. Click the Add Book button to move the selected book into the signature. The cover should now appear in the Signature panel between the text fields.
Repeat those two steps for each book you want in your signature.
3. When your signature is done, click the Copy BBCode code.
4. Go to the Forum Profiles here and paste the new code into the Signature box. If there's already code there, delete it first.

Does that help? This is why I'm writing a user's guide. Until then, just ask questions.

Okay Al, all's good. I missed that crucial step of add book. I thought that was a tool for finding your books one by one. For idiots like me, your steps were very easy to follow. Thank-you.
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2018, 01:48:17 PM »
By all means comment on how you think the tool could be improved.

How to make it more intuitively used?
Better layout?

Personally, I'm hoping Al puts in separate fields for the url links we commonly have on signatures. I'd rather not have to assemble the code for them myself, and a lot of people cant. The all purpose text box is just too simple, for what most people need to display.

And I've also suggested instead of having to forward and back the pages, he puts each line of returned covers down the screen so all are visible at once. Even if you use different search terms, each search simply shows another group down the page, making final assembly of the signature easier. And use of double click to add a cover would simplify the process as well.

Also, associate codes is still not implemented. Both using the forum default code, and adding your own.
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2018, 05:30:20 PM »
Personally, I'm hoping Al puts in separate fields for the url links we commonly have on signatures. I'd rather not have to assemble the code for them myself...
You don't have to assemble any code. Put the text cursor where you want the link and use the Link button.The program assembles the url you provide along with the text into the BBCode.

And I've also suggested instead of having to forward and back the pages, he puts each line of returned covers down the screen so all are visible at once.
The amazon search engine doesn't allow that. Even their own searches don't do that. You get ten at a time with an enforced delay between queries. If you try to go for the next ten too quickly, they shut you down for a while. It is what it is. We have to abide by their rules.

And use of double click to add a cover would simplify the process as well.
I like the double click idea. And insert into the signature ahead of the selected cover rather than always append to the end. Eventually. A drag ang drop would be cool too, but that's harder I also want to make a signature preview popup that looks just like the forum's signature..

But I've been working on this tool full time for about four weeks. I've got a book underway that's languishing on the shelf, and a few workshop projects. I'll play with the tool (did I really say that?) on a part-time basis. For now, you've got something that works. Of course, I'll be here to answer questions. And any programmer who wants to help is welcome to jump in. I'll share the source code willingly. You need some fluency in PHP, HTML, XML, CSS and Javascript.
Also, associate codes is still not implemented.
That's on the list as the next thing to be done. It will affect screen shots, so I need to do it before continuing with the user's doc. You can keep bugging me about it, but it won't hurry anything up.  Grin
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2018, 05:42:16 PM »
When I enter "Mark Gardner" I don't get anything.
If you do it with a key word search you get the same books that Amazon's search returns. Apparently they don't have "Mark Gardner" specifically listed as an author. I've seen that with other authors too. I think it's why they do all their searches by key words.
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2018, 05:53:21 PM »
You don't have to assemble any code. Put the text cursor where you want the link and use the Link button.The program assembles the url you provide along with the text into the BBCode.

Shouldn't need to enter standard text. Just needs a set of input fields. Insert insert insert insert. Make. A lot of people will do what I'm doing and look at a big blank box and think WTF do I do with this? Even with the explanation for links, it still doesn't make intuitive sense.

A set of titles with a url insert box is simple, everyone understands it, and should be simple to make into the code to display it.

The more you get people to have to do themselves, the less they either will do, or the more they will just write it off as too hard.

And I've also suggested instead of having to forward and back the pages, he puts each line of returned covers down the screen so all are visible at once.
The amazon search engine doesn't allow that. Even their own searches don't do that. You get ten at a time with an enforced delay between queries. If you try to go for the next ten too quickly, they shut you down for a while. It is what it is. We have to abide by their rules.

Your missing my point. At the moment, you hit next, and the 2nd group get displayed over the top of the first. I'm saying display them UNDER the first, and keep displaying them under the last down the screen, so all are visible all the time.

You just need to save each lines query data each time. Its still the same number of queries, just accumulating the data instead of overwriting it.

And it should auto make the requests, not wait for a button press. Send queiry, display, wait, send, display, wait etc. The whole thing building an array of covers.

No-one is going to worry about a slow load time, when it saves a lot of actual work. They set it loading, and go do something else while it loads.

Also, associate codes is still not implemented.

That's on the list as the next thing to be done. It will affect screen shots, so I need to do it before continuing with the user's doc. You can keep bugging me about it, but it won't hurry anything up.

And until its done, a large portion of the people wanting a signature tool wont use what it currently generates, because the associate code is something they want in it.


For me at the moment, the tool is not usable.

1. Associate code is not an option, but a requirement.
2. The blank box is too difficult, and not intuitive. Too much work for the person who has no clue what you even put in the blank box, let alone how to get a link in there.
3. Takes far too long to find covers in the order you want them, across 7 or 8 lines of return. Especially takes too long to go backwards for a cover displayed on page 1 when your on page 7.

I like the way it looks, but functionality and ease of use (without needing any instructions) is far more important.

And this is for people with 100+ or 200+ books to use, and not just under 20. I'm finding it cumbersome and slow for my 40+ books. For someone with a big catalog? It wont be worth the time it takes to find what they want.
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2018, 06:24:54 PM »
I'll leave it up for a while in case anyone wants to use it. Those who don't can still use the KBoards Link Maker. You can use it without having to log on. I'll probably continue to tweak this one as it suits my needs. And there are other boards with BBCode signatures that might be interested.

But not useable? Thanks for your comments and for the opportunity to flex my atrophied programming chops.
     
 

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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2018, 06:32:50 PM »
Hi Al,

It's an excellent tool and I know how hard you worked on it. It seems that it's not too much of a stretch to show people how to insert the affiliate code. Y'know as a short term solution?

Personally, I wouldn't put the code in anyway, so it's a moot point.

Hope you got paid well, mate!
 

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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2018, 07:22:18 PM »
[geek alert]
I need to explain something here lest the criticisms given make folks think I don't know what I'm doing. We can't have that.

In the operating environment where a website manages interaction between that user and an online resource such as the Amazon search engine, there are two processes going on. One is in the browser, which runs locally in your computer. That code is in Javascript mostly. The other is in the remote server, which is the PHP part. I'll try to simplify this. Yeah, right.

Whenever an event, such as a next page click, needs to change the page's visible contents, the browser has to reload the page so it can render the changes. Page renderings are not dynamic. When it does that, it must communicate the new data to the new copy of itself. There are two ways to do that without using the database, which involves permissions. One way is with cookies. The other way is with arguments in the URL. Passing dense arguments via either medium is a burden on the system and is restricted. URL arguments have a length limit of 2083 characters. Passing multiple pages of image and product page links that way reaches the limit rather quickly. Cookie size is similarly limited to 4096 characters per domain.

I hope but doubt that this clears up why we cannot support the requirement to stack multiple pages of cover image urls along with the urls that link them to their product pages. The only solution I can think might address these restrictions it to reprogram the tool in Ajax, which is not only starting all over but which also presents yet another steep hill to climb.

If you agree with Timothy that the tool as is is functionally unusable, please chime in, and I will pull it down from my server with my sincere apologies for wasting your time.

I just wanted you all to know.  grint
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2018, 07:29:11 PM »
But not useable?

It only produces half a signature at the moment, and building the rest is too hard, or too time consuming for a lot of people.

All I'm saying is, until it builds a full signature, its easier to leave my existing signature as it is.

It looks great, but its a great deal more complicated than I was expecting. Then again, I come from old school text programming, not all this flashy graphical stuff.


It's an excellent tool and I know how hard you worked on it.

It is.

But it isn't anywhere near finished.


Hope you got paid well, mate!

Al took this on as a volunteer. He has more or less been doing his own thing to see where it went. He's also more or less ignored everything I've said along the way, so what I'm saying now doesn't really matter either.

It's his vision and work, I'm just trying to add practicality.


for wasting your time.

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2018, 08:00:05 PM »
Al took this on as a volunteer. He has more or less been doing his own thing to see where it went. He's also more or less ignored everything I've said along the way, so what I'm saying now doesn't really matter either.
You sell yourself short. Several features are direct results of your comments. It's  quite the opposite. You have mostly ignored my advice and you continue to insist on features that are not feasible.

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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2018, 08:16:48 PM »
"Management doesn't know what they don't want until they get it."
-- Al Stevens c. 1990

True! I spent years as a 'C' programmer trying to teach amateurs the difference between 'good programming' and 'walking on water'

I gave up. My hair grew back within weeks.  :hehe
 

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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2018, 08:44:57 PM »
I wrote the C Programming Column for Dr. Dobb's Journal for many years, went to all the conventions, lectured, wrote books. They are indeed a culture all their own.
     
 

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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2018, 10:29:59 PM »
When I was forty years old, having never so much as turned a computer on, let alone owned one, I was admitted into a diploma course for computer programming. Mainly DOS, C+ and C++, with a little of windows(95), and MS Office thrown in. My first computer had a 500MB hard drive with  8 MB of RAM. Only a fraction faster than using punch cards I reckon. I lasted one semester!! I know how hard this sh*t is. Al, my hat is off to you. With your instructions I have a reasonable signature. It is more than I had before, because I could not follow the procedures they were suggesting early on.
Timothy, I think you might need to lighten it up a little there. I hope the strain of keeping the forum going isn't getting to you already? I think you have done a remarkable job in a very sort time. Given a little more time, I think we can work out the finer details. No great rush to do it all today. It's a great forum and I believe it will grow.
 
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2018, 05:07:07 PM »
Found something weird about the Amazon associates tag. I set the default value to blank in the Signature Tool as I was removing references to this forum. I had Timothy's as the default and didn't think it appropriate to keep it and the logo without his support of the tool. Turns out without an associate's tag, the product retrievals don't work. So I set the default to mine and added a Tag button that lets you put your own in place of mine. You can change it but you can't blank it out. I don't know what it does if the tag is not valid. I chose one at random to test and it worked okay, but that one might have been real.

The tag is stored in a cookie, so keep an eye on it if you are using this tool. The tag is embedded in the urls as ?tag= something.

With a little work I could separate the inquiries from the product urls but for now they use the same constant value. Maybe later.

The cookie is set to expire on my 100th birthday, so don't yell at me if it goes away because you forgot to keep track.

That's okay. They tried to blame some of Y2K on me too.  :icon_mrgreen:
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2018, 05:39:37 PM »
I dont understand what was so hard about adding the associate code, when it's now been done. Mountain out of a mole hill stuff.

Bug: If you put a line feed at the beginning of the large text box, it deletes everything you put in there.

Formatting issue: Needs a blank line after the short text. And another one before the long text. Otherwise they are scrunched up together badly. I inserted mine manually after shifting the code.

The small box wont allow a line feed after. The big box assumes its empty if you put one in.
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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2018, 01:51:45 AM »
I dont understand what was so hard about adding the associate code, when it's now been done. Mountain out of a mole hill stuff.
What makes you think it was hard? It was a matter of priorities. Thanks for the bug reports. I wouldn't say the absence of blank lines is done "badly, though." It's just that you don't like them. I'll look into adding blank lines since you requested that as a feature. I am surprised, though, that although you deemed the program "not usable" you seem to be using it. Grin
     
 

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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2018, 02:38:05 AM »
I dont understand what was so hard about adding the associate code, when it's now been done. Mountain out of a mole hill stuff.
What makes you think it was hard? It was a matter of priorities. Thanks for the bug reports. I wouldn't say the absence of blank lines is done "badly, though." It's just that you don't like them. I'll look into adding blank lines since you requested that as a feature. I am surprised, though, that although you deemed the program "not usable" you seem to be using it. Grin

It is now usable, although I lost it when it ate my text links the first time. Fortunately, I was able to back out far enough to find a version of my original profile I could copy what I lost from. I've now saved that.

I'd still like the links section done as a form and constructed from what is entered, since a lot of people dont know how to do this, but for now, its usable for me. And that was a priority for me as well, just the opposite to yours.

I hate things cluttered together when they dont need to be. I like them nicely separated so they can be read more easily. Inserting a couple of line fields makes no real difference to how much space the signature uses, and makes a big difference to readability.
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Re: New Signature Tool - Alpha testing
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2018, 03:54:43 AM »
I think I fixed the blank line bug. The cookie system eats newline characters. Took a while to figure that one out. I had to encode them. Please wring it out. There are several combinations of input with respect to blank lines, and I'm sure I haven't tested them all. The one under the upper line is fixed. Do you want me to return your associates tag as the default and the WS banner at the top?

And please choose your words more considerately. I am thick skinned, but stress pushes me away, and the word "hate" applied to my endeavors is off-putting to say the least.