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This is so sad. How awful.
 

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Yog's Law: Money should flow to the author.

Internalize this, and you'll build up an immunity to such scams.


The scary thing is 800 people into $44 million is $55,000 per person scammed.


Just 55k per capita?  And they got caught?  Amateurs.  A French woman was scammed out of $850,000 because she thought Brad Pitt loved her and needed a kidney transplant.

The obviously fake photos he sent her are hilarious:

https://nypost.com/2025/01/14/world-news/french-woman-scammed-out-of-850k-by-ai-generated-brad-pitt/

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The point about research is very well taken. Newbies might not know what to look for, but everyone with experience can see the tells if they look for them.

These scams work because we are more prone to believe what we want to hear. We want to be believe we can get a great book and/or movie deal, so we're more inclined to accept the possibility if someone presents it. "If it seems too good to be true, it usually is."





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I only have one rule.

If they ask for money, it's a scammer.

Doesn't matter what the scam is.
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Well, if they make clear what their company is and accurately describe what they're offering, they may be a service provider, not a scammer. But if they claim to be a publisher, make unrealistic claims and/or charge unreasonable amounts, then they are definitely a scammer.


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I just don't understand how people can still fall for this stuff.
 

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People have a tendency to believe what they want to believe. Tell an author that latest book can be a bestseller and have a movie made about it, and that author has a built-in bias toward accepting that statement as true. Of course, if one is willing to set bias aside and do some research, it's possible to develop a more balanced view.

People often don't do their homework. Back in 2012, I remember a company advertising, "We can get your book up on Amazon for just $150." KDP, as we all know, is free.


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The saddest thing is to meet self-published authors at book fairs who have spent thousands of dollars on vanity presses and probably have a garage full of print books they may never be able to sell. If they do book fairs for years, they might, but that's just another expense on top of what they've already spent, and typically they might sell one or two copies only per book fair, not even enough to cover their costs. Met someone a couple of years ago who had paid a company over $5,000 to produce her book. At that book fair, the price of a table was $120. 
 

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Twenty years ago, if you were bamboozled, you could argue ignorance. These days, there's no excuse.

Check out what ChatGPT spits out with this rudimentary prompt:

I'm an aspiring author. I've written a book and I want to publish it. I don't know how to do this. Should I pay a company to publish it for me?


----------- START CHATGPT RESPONSE -----------

Congratulations on writing your book! When it comes to publishing, you have several options, and it's important to consider the pros and cons of each before deciding whether to pay a company to publish your book. Here?s a breakdown of your options:

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### **1. Self-Publishing (Do-It-Yourself)**

You take full control of the publishing process using platforms like Amazon Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP), IngramSpark, or Draft2Digital.

**Pros:**
- **Full creative control:** You manage everything from cover design to pricing.
- **Higher royalties:** Platforms like KDP offer up to 70% royalties.
- **Cost-effective:** No upfront payment required, aside from optional services (editing, cover design).
- **Fast turnaround:** Your book can be published within days.

**Cons:**
- **You handle everything:** Formatting, marketing, and distribution are your responsibility.
- **Learning curve:** Navigating publishing platforms and book promotion can take time.

**Steps to Self-Publish:**
1. Format your manuscript (using tools like Vellum or Kindle Create).
2. Design a professional book cover (consider hiring a designer).
3. Choose a platform (KDP for Amazon, IngramSpark for print distribution).
4. Upload your book and set pricing.
5. Develop a marketing plan (social media, ads, book reviews).

**Recommendation:** If you're willing to learn and put in effort, self-publishing can be a cost-effective and rewarding option.

---

### **2. Assisted Self-Publishing (Paying a Company)**

Some companies offer publishing services where they handle aspects like formatting, cover design, and distribution while you retain ownership of your book.

**Pros:**
- **Convenience:** They take care of technical aspects.
- **Professional assistance:** Editing, cover design, and marketing packages are available.
- **Time-saving:** They streamline the process, allowing you to focus on writing.

**Cons:**
- **High costs:** Many services can be overpriced.
- **Varying quality:** Some companies offer subpar services; research is crucial.
- **Profit-sharing:** Some companies take a cut of your royalties.

**What to Watch Out For:**
- **Vanity publishers:** These companies charge high fees but may offer little value.
- **Rights and royalties:** Ensure you retain all rights to your book.
- **Hidden fees:** Clarify what?s included before signing any contracts.

**Recommended Assisted Publishing Services:**
- Reputable companies like **Reedsy, BookBaby, and Outskirts Press** offer fair services without taking ownership of your book.

---

### **3. Traditional Publishing (Getting a Publisher)**

You submit your manuscript to literary agents or publishers and, if accepted, they handle everything (editing, distribution, marketing).

**Pros:**
- **Credibility and prestige:** Your book gets industry recognition.
- **Wider distribution:** Your book can appear in bookstores and libraries.
- **Marketing support:** Publishers handle promotion.

**Cons:**
- **Highly competitive:** It can take months or years to get accepted.
- **Lower royalties:** Publishers typically offer around 10-15%.
- **Less creative control:** The publisher has the final say on edits, cover design, and marketing.

**Steps to Traditional Publishing:**
1. Research literary agents and publishers that fit your genre.
2. Prepare a strong query letter and book proposal.
3. Submit and be prepared for potential rejection before finding a fit.

---

### **Final Thoughts ? Which Should You Choose?**

- **If you want control and higher earnings:** Go with **self-publishing.**
- **If you need help but want to retain control:** Consider **assisted self-publishing.**
- **If you dream of seeing your book in major bookstores and don't mind the wait:** Pursue **traditional publishing.**

If you're new to publishing, **self-publishing via Amazon KDP** is an excellent starting point to learn the ropes without a significant financial investment. You can always explore other options later.

Let me know if you'd like more details on any of these paths!

----------- END CHATGPT RESPONSE -----------


Even Googling "should i pay a company to publish my book" returns this AI response:


----------- BEGIN GOOGLE AI RESPONSE -----------

No, you should not pay a company to publish your book; if a company asks you to pay upfront to publish your book, it is likely a scam and considered a "vanity press," meaning they will not provide real publishing services and are primarily interested in your money, not your writing quality; legitimate publishers will never ask you to pay to publish your book.

Key points to remember:

Legitimate publishers don't charge authors:
A reputable publisher will cover the costs of editing, design, and distribution, and may even offer you an advance on royalties.

Vanity presses are a red flag:
Companies that ask you to pay upfront to publish your book are likely vanity presses, which often provide poor quality services and minimal marketing support.

Self-publishing is an option:
If you want to publish your book yourself, you can utilize platforms like Amazon Kindle Direct Publishing, where you pay for editing and design services as needed, but you retain full control over the process.

----------- END GOOGLE AI RESPONSE -----------


When I hear that someone has fallen prey to a vanity press, I assume they're lazy and/or irrational. There are too many easy-to-access resources available that make any other explanation unlikely.

There's no shame in being lazy or irrational. We're all lazy or irrational about something. But if someone neglects - or chooses not - to do three minutes of research that could save them a lot of headaches, heartaches, and cash, well...




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People have a tendency to believe what they want to believe. Tell an author that latest book can be a bestseller and have a movie made about it, and that author has a built-in bias toward accepting that statement as true. Of course, if one is willing to set bias aside and do some research, it's possible to develop a more balanced view.

People often don't do their homework. Back in 2012, I remember a company advertising, "We can get your book up on Amazon for just $150." KDP, as we all know, is free.

I know an author who paid someone good money to put his book on Amazon. The author didn't want to be bothered with all the technicalities of uploading etc, which can be daunting when you are older. It didn't work out so well and he asked me to help. I told him I would help to show how to do it himself as I didn't want to get involved with accounts etc. I tried to explain but I could see he wasn't really interested in learning how to do it himself. So there is an opportunity out there.  :icon_rolleyes:

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But they don't think to comparison shop. It doesn't help if you google how to publish a book and Ingram Spark says the average cost to self-publish a book is $2k to $4k.

Really, Ingram? Really? At those prices, we'd all be buying bespoke covers from Damonza.

(Which I would not buy anyway because I don't see good romance covers in their portfolio.)

 

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I know an author who paid someone good money to put his book on Amazon. The author didn't want to be bothered with all the technicalities of uploading etc, which can be daunting when you are older. It didn't work out so well and he asked me to help. I told him I would help to show how to do it himself as I didn't want to get involved with accounts etc. I tried to explain but I could see he wasn't really interested in learning how to do it himself. So there is an opportunity out there.  :icon_rolleyes:
Yeah, there is a market there for the techphobic among us. A company set up to appeal to them that explained all their options wouldn't be a scam. But a company that represents itself in such a way as to suggest that one has to pay to get up on Amazon is clearly a scam.

These days, it's becoming harder and harder to be techphobic. A  lot of jobs require at least some computer literacy even to apply--regardless of the nature of the company. And cellphones have become practically mandatory. So many companies I deal with just assume that you have one and proceed accordingly.


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I equate some of this as people wanting to substitute money for effort, which is a legitimate choice in many areas of life. Pay someone to clean your gutters instead of risking your own life on a ladder; pay a mechanic to fix your car instead of trying to fix it yourself, etc.

It's not technophobia as such. It seems to be the same old thing: Google is your friend--but read deeply in the entries. Don't just pick the first entry on a page.
 

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I equate some of this as people wanting to substitute money for effort, which is a legitimate choice...

Another alt:  I'm not a techphobe, I'm just not interested.  I learn what tech I must to do what I can for my books.  Otherwise, I'd rather be flying paper airplanes.
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I didn't own a cellphone until after I retired, though the school district I worked in would have dearly loved for all employees to have cellphones. I got one only because I started using Uber. The cellphone is normally off, and I don't give out the number. Most of the time, I'm at home and can just use my landline to make and receive calls.

Yet I'm not at all techphobic. In fact, during my teaching career, I was known as an early adopter and frequently trained other people in tech. So I agree that some people might want to substitute money for effort. If a person's time is in shorter supply than money, that makes sense. If not, the person is probably better off learning to do the various parts of the publishing process, which isn't that hard.


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