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Bot Discussion Public / Re: SFWAs Comments
« Last post by PJ Post on November 20, 2023, 06:39:34 AM »
I remember the anecdotes, but not specific data, including the prompts that lead to the infringing text. AI doesn't "know" the text to be copied (it doesn't store anything), it only knows the likelihood of the next word in the series or the next pixel. The Getty logo in AI images only proved that Getty owns a lot of soccer images1. These artifact abstractions show up in a lot of AI images. One weird one was rulers showing up next to moles. This is because most images of moles are medical, and the datasets often show a ruler to document the change in size. That's a learned association.

1 It also proved AI trained on lots of Getty images, which no one is denying. Instead, these AI companies are claiming Fair Use. The courts, as of now, seem to be going in this direction. We'll have to wait and see how big the copyright obstacle is going to be.


As far as SWFA is concerned, they might well not like indies, but that doesn't mean they're wrong about AI.

It doesn't mean they're not not wrong. They have a history of overreacting to protect their own self-interest.


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Maybe we'll always have a market, but it seems as if we'll have a much smaller one, one that will support far fewer of us. And yes, there are still cobblers, but how many?

A much smaller market to be sure, but the individual Creative doesn't necessarily have to worry about the peculiarities and vagaries of the market if they're non-fungible.


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Also, would companies really resist GMO labeling so hard if nobody really cared? Would cigarette companies have resisted health warnings so hard if nobody really cared? People care. They just don't think about it that often unless it's forced to their attention--with labeling, for example. A better test of your thesis would be situations in which products were clearly labeled, and it made no difference. And before you say cigarettes, keep in mind that there's addiction involved there.

At yet, all of these products still represent billion dollar industries.

Also, most of these social improvements, be they labels or improved automotive technology, all save lives, or at least promise to. It's good for marketing. However, as an example, the California's Prop 65 cancer warning is largely ignored, mainly I think, because it is so ludicrously inclusive as to be meaningless. It's essentially saying that one's mere existence can lead to cancer.

But the most important difference here is that using AI won't kill you.


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One might question how much the average person on the street really knows. Companies aren't exactly happy when some labor scandal breaks out and usually at least pretend to take steps. Would they do that if in fact no one really cared?

Don't confuse social media spin control with actual concern. I don't think this is what you meant, but no, I don't think the average person on the street has any idea of what's coming.
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Promotion Signup Desk [Public] / Holiday and New Year Audiobook Book Fair
« Last post by alhawke on November 20, 2023, 03:24:13 AM »

I'm running my first audiobook promo on Bookfunnel to advertise all my new audiobooks for 2023. This is a holiday/new year book fair that will run from Dec 11 to Jan 12. Have a fiction audiobook? Come join my promotion. Any price is welcome. New authors to Bookfunnel welcome.
HERE IS THE LINK: https://dashboard.bookfunnel.com/bundles/board/1w2hakh10n
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: AMS ads are now showing up on Goodreads
« Last post by alhawke on November 20, 2023, 03:12:30 AM »
Are we sure these are AMS ads and not just Goodreads ads with a new look?
The carousel seems to be literally copied from Amazon and placed on Goodreads (I'm obsessed enough to recognize the same books being advertised under my books). It think it's just the "4 star and above" carousel which I always assumed was taken from AMS ads.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: AMS ads are now showing up on Goodreads
« Last post by Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2023, 03:08:41 AM »
I don't see anything about it on the ads dashboard.

Are we sure these are AMS ads and not just Goodreads ads with a new look?

Either way, I'm not under the impression that Goodreads is a good place to sell books. You'd think it would be, given that it brings together a lot of readers. But Goodreads ads were the worst money I ever spent. Goodreads giveaways used to be a good review source before Amazon messed it up.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: AMS ads are now showing up on Goodreads
« Last post by alhawke on November 20, 2023, 02:34:23 AM »
Yeah, it doesn't seem like a great idea, especially if they're only picking the top 6 on the carousel. But, to your point, the top of the carousel are the highest money making ads. I once tried Goodreads ads and never sold a book. So... I have a feeling this experiment won't work out well. I don't think the site works well for direct buys. But  :shrug

For those of you who use AMS (I gave up a long time ago) I'm curious. Is there a new feature allowing direct ads with Goodreads? Or is it just transferred over?
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: AMS ads are now showing up on Goodreads
« Last post by writeway on November 19, 2023, 05:38:34 PM »
I'm sure this is a way for Amazon to make people pay more for ads. The more places they show them, the more they suppress ads so people have to bid more. Amazon never does something unless it brings them more money. They've sucked up all the space on Amazon pages and they're so crowded with ads that it's terrible to browse there now. So Amazon said, "Hey, how can we squeeze even more money from these authors? Oh, yeah! Let's put the ads on Goodreads and make it where they'll have to bid even more to be seen.  :icon_rolleyes:
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Marketing Loft [Public] / AMS ads are now showing up on Goodreads
« Last post by alhawke on November 19, 2023, 01:39:41 PM »
This is new. I just saw 4+ star books being advertised via sponsored ads on Goodreads. Is this a new option with AMS? Thing is, it appears to only be the top 6 books so, I'm guessing, this would be the highest bid books.
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TV/Movie Talk [Public] / Re: What TV series are you watching right now?
« Last post by Anarchist on November 19, 2023, 10:46:51 AM »
I mostly like SF...


I thought The Expanse was very good. It's on Amazon.





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TV/Movie Talk [Public] / Re: What TV series are you watching right now?
« Last post by She-la-te-da on November 19, 2023, 04:56:47 AM »
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The Fall

I started to watch this one, but I had bad Internet at the time. I'll probably try again.

I just finished Space: 1999. Not too bad, a bit campy with all those special effects. I've watched some ReGenesis, a bit of Colony, and now looking for something else. I mostly like SF, not that interested in soaps or similar things. I've watched some Brit, UK and Canada shows, and I think one Australian, so I'm not totally against seeing other cultures, but I only speak English. :)
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Editors & Proofreaders [Public] / Re: Affordable proofreading - $10 off your first book!
« Last post by Alexa on November 18, 2023, 09:42:27 PM »
Still booking for December!
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