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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: An underdog or a powerful hero in fantasy
« Last post by TimothyEllis on December 03, 2021, 09:30:55 PM »
If they're maxed out on all three they're probably going to be boring as they'll never face any challenges.

That's where I decided to go.

In first person, the challenges are not so much the usual bad meets good on the field of battle thing. It's all about the character journey of the overpowered MC.

It's why I wrote a series about a benevolent AI who fights a war where the main enemy is not a serious threat, but thinks they're the big bad and who is for everyone else. It was all about character development of the AI, and how AIs are viewed by everyone else. Hence the series name being A.I. Destiny.

Cool! Sounds like that inner exploration could be the 'low' point for the AI character's competence?

(Like, it's starting out at a certain point of development and growing, it's not starting the story out exactly as it needs to be to fulfill it's destiny?)

Actually, it was sidekick becomes the hero.

1 star admiral, just promoted, at the start of this series, suddenly becomes 4 stars because only the incompetent officers remained from the series 1 story, then goes on to be a Queen. And until mid book 6, very few know she's an AI.

The whole point was, an AI sidekick, used to following the orders of a hero, suddenly has to take charge and prevent the remains of the human race from going into civil war, while at the same time finding a galaxy under the influence of a war-like species using a drug to dominate all the species there.

So it's a journey from follower to being THE leader.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: An underdog or a powerful hero in fantasy
« Last post by ashleycapes on December 03, 2021, 08:45:14 PM »
If they're maxed out on all three they're probably going to be boring as they'll never face any challenges.

That's where I decided to go.

In first person, the challenges are not so much the usual bad meets good on the field of battle thing. It's all about the character journey of the overpowered MC.

It's why I wrote a series about a benevolent AI who fights a war where the main enemy is not a serious threat, but thinks they're the big bad and who is for everyone else. It was all about character development of the AI, and how AIs are viewed by everyone else. Hence the series name being A.I. Destiny.

Cool! Sounds like that inner exploration could be the 'low' point for the AI character's competence?

(Like, it's starting out at a certain point of development and growing, it's not starting the story out exactly as it needs to be to fulfill it's destiny?)
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: An underdog or a powerful hero in fantasy
« Last post by TimothyEllis on December 03, 2021, 08:36:59 PM »
If they're maxed out on all three they're probably going to be boring as they'll never face any challenges.

That's where I decided to go.

In first person, the challenges are not so much the usual bad meets good on the field of battle thing. It's all about the character journey of the overpowered MC.

It's why I wrote a series about a benevolent AI who fights a war where the main enemy is not a serious threat, but thinks they're the big bad and who is for everyone else. It was all about character development of the AI, and how AIs are viewed by everyone else. Hence the series name being A.I. Destiny.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: An underdog or a powerful hero in fantasy
« Last post by ashleycapes on December 03, 2021, 08:30:46 PM »
I found this really interesting when I first came across it:

https://writingexcuses.com/2014/03/30/writing-excuses-9-13-three-prong-character-development/

which in is summarised here:

https://www.stormwritingschool.com/character-mixing-board/


(One is text, one is audio).


But basically, the idea is that if a character has high levels of: competence, proactivity or relatability (or combos of any two) then they ought to be at least engaging.

If they're maxed out on all three they're probably going to be boring as they'll never face any challenges.
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Bar & Grill [Public] / Re: What Did You Blog About Today
« Last post by Paul Gr on December 03, 2021, 08:17:13 PM »
It wasn't today, it was a couple of weeks ago, but I posted an article, hopefully humorous, as well as informative, about Anglo Saxon runes on my website.
I posted it for practical reasons, to create interest in my WIP, which is called 'Our Saxon Life.'
In reality it isn't a WIP, I've finished it, but haven't published it yet, and am writing book two, to create a series.
I suspect that I should have waited until I published it, before publishing a blog post about it, it would have had more immediacy.



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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: An underdog or a powerful hero in fantasy
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on December 03, 2021, 06:39:43 PM »
Does it mean that readers have no problems connecting with powerful characters?


Readers can identify with an MC in all sorts of ways, even if it's something as simple as having the MC stub his toe on the bathroom door in the first chapter.  It's something we've all done at some point, and we all know it hurts, and that's what makes it relatable.  Tony Stark is a powerful man even aside from his Iron Man persona, but he still has flaws and challenges that make him relatable.

I definitely think there's a tendency, though, for powerful characters to be Mary Sue types.


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And which type of MC do you prefer as readers and authors and why?


I prefer an MC that earns his victories the hard way.  I despise MCs that seem to have everything handed to them on a silver platter.  Life is hard for most of us, and the stories that appeal to me are those that say yeah, life is hard, but the challenges can be overcome with enough grit and determination.

Imagine a video game where you can win without ever having to level up or earn items or coins.  You've got everything you need to defeat the final boss right from the beginning.  Sounds like a boring game, right?  Well, I feel the same way about MCs in books.

I can't speak for other readers or authors, of course, and I have no idea what the masses think about this stuff.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Checking again...
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on December 03, 2021, 06:21:36 PM »
Luke, it's usually considered "bad form" to offer unsolicited criticism of another member's stuff.  That's why we have dedicated subforums for those who want to solicit criticism for covers or blurbs or whatever.


Books and TikTok mixes about as well as arugula salad and avocado toast...


I can honestly say I've never eaten either of those things, nor would I want to.   :Hqn66ku:


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...at an NFL watch party.


I stopped watching the NFL when the damn Falcons pulled off the biggest choke job in the history of sports.  After that gut-wrenching event, I made a clean break and swore it all off.  And I haven't missed it, either.


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They're going to change the channel to ice skating or try and sell you tupperware or something


That was a Stanley Cup final, right?  There was one year when they cut away immediately after the game but before the cup was presented.  Instead of seeing the trophies given out, we got to see figure skating (or something; not sure).  Really pissed me off.

And, of course, there's this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi_Game
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Publisher's Office [Public] / Re: Which comes first...?
« Last post by LilyBLily on December 03, 2021, 03:38:05 PM »
Don't bother with a bar code. Have your cover designer leave space for it; they know to do that, anyway. Ingram and KDP will insert barcodes. There is no value in getting arty about barcode placement, either. Those barcodes, as far as I know, will have your print ISBN on them, but not your cover price coded in. This is good because you may want to change the price and doing so won't mess up what may already be printed (such as if you get a bunch of author copies to sell at a convention or book fair) or set up at the printer for POD (Print on Demand).

As I understand it, the templates/specs for Ingram and KDP do vary slightly. If you know formatting or have a good formatter who can make sure the specs are right for each company, that should simplify things.

If you can reasonably foresee selling a lot of print books and very few ebooks, you can do the print book first, but most of us upload the ebook and the print files at more or less the same time. It's not a big deal and it might take ten minutes per site, especially if you gather together your metadata in advance so you're not staring at BISAC codes and wondering what categories to choose or what keywords, or worrying about writing the blurb or rewriting it for each sales venue, or not sure of what price to charge.

Granted, if you happen to be publishing, say, a dozen books on the same day, it's going to take you a little longer to upload them than it does for just one title. Get organized in advance and it'll be easy. Keep a record of what you choose on each site in the way of prices, keywords, and categories. You may want to change all three elements at some point in the future. In fact, you're sure to want to.

Good luck. Ask more questions if something is unclear.

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Publisher's Office [Public] / Which comes first...?
« Last post by fferyllt on December 03, 2021, 02:46:34 PM »
I'm about to launch a very small publishing company with a couple of books in a popular genre series and want to go wide for print and ebook. I think the best practice is to upload print to KDP first (don't check expanded distribution) and then upload to IngramSpark for print. But I read somewhere that you can get the bar code from IngramSpark and then insert it on the back cover of the KDP print book where you think it looks best. Anyone know about this or have advice? I'm dreading the five+ distributor uploads and versions for print and various covers ahead of me and trying to make as few time-consuming and messy mistakes as possible.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Checking again...
« Last post by Luke Everhart on December 03, 2021, 02:09:25 PM »
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Take a break and start over in January. Maybe Tiktok ads then. If you had video ads for FB, might be able to do similar ones there maybe.

I tried TikTok several months ago. TikTok is price competitive but the results are hit and miss. Mostly miss. The audience is not looking for something to read.

R.C.

Nope, definitely not TikTok. Books and TikTok mixes about as well as arugula salad and avocado toast at an NFL watch party. ...and if you ever go to an NFL watch party and they are serving arugula salad and avocado toast 😳RUUUUNN! It's a trick! They're going to change the channel to ice skating or try and sell you tupperware or something
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