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mike herman

facebook ads
« on: March 26, 2019, 06:07:00 AM »
I have never used facebook ads but recently saw a couple of posts showing authors creating Facebook ads that target specific author's audiences. Is this something that is only possible when you use ads manager? Or is it no longer possible with the latest version of Facebook ads? I see no options for anything like this when I play with setting up an ad. (but never finalize it)
 

Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2019, 06:19:04 AM »
I don't know that you can target another author's audience, but you can target people who have liked that authors page or works.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2019, 02:36:21 PM »
I don't know that you can target another author's audience, but you can target people who have liked that authors page or works.
How? Does one need ads manager?
 

Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2019, 10:07:57 PM »
Yes. Ads manager is how you access the more sophisticated targeting tools. When you are making an ad, you will get the chance to "build an audience."

In there you will select different brands, people, etc. to target. Facebook users who have 'liked,' 'followed,' or otherwise  interacted with those selected brands, etc will be the ones shown your ad.
 
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Lu Kudzoza

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2019, 02:12:57 AM »
You can do it through the regular "manage ads" link on Facebook. To target another author you enter the author's name as an interest. Note that not all authors are in the list. You can also type in TV shows and other things your readers would be interested in. However, I'd start with extremely tight targeting of authors that are close to your style. You'll get better results that way.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2019, 05:09:18 AM »
You can do it through the regular "manage ads" link on Facebook. To target another author you enter the author's name as an interest. Note that not all authors are in the list. You can also type in TV shows and other things your readers would be interested in. However, I'd start with extremely tight targeting of authors that are close to your style. You'll get better results that way.
Do you mean the "manage promotions" button below the "create ad" button? There is no "manage ads" link on my interface.
 

Lu Kudzoza

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2019, 02:35:18 AM »
When you go to FB with a browser there is a triangle in the top right hand corner. When you click it you get options like "create page", "create group", "create ads", "manage ads". I always use the "manage ads" link. If you haven't created an ad yet maybe it doesn't show up. So click the "create ad" button and it'll get you started. You don't have to start the ad just to play with the interface and see interests.

You can also see interests that are available by looking at FB's Audience Insights: https://www.facebook.com/ads/audience-insights
 

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Re: facebook ads
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2019, 02:37:47 AM »
FB ads never worked for me. But YMMV.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2019, 02:42:09 AM »
When you go to FB with a browser there is a triangle in the top right hand corner. When you click it you get options like "create page", "create group", "create ads", "manage ads". I always use the "manage ads" link. If you haven't created an ad yet maybe it doesn't show up. So click the "create ad" button and it'll get you started. You don't have to start the ad just to play with the interface and see interests.

You can also see interests that are available by looking at FB's Audience Insights: https://www.facebook.com/ads/audience-insights
Now I see it. Thanks
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2019, 02:45:17 AM »
FB ads never worked for me. But YMMV.
see the post about the Facebook survey results.
 
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mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2019, 08:54:05 AM »
When you go to FB with a browser there is a triangle in the top right hand corner. When you click it you get options like "create page", "create group", "create ads", "manage ads". I always use the "manage ads" link. If you haven't created an ad yet maybe it doesn't show up. So click the "create ad" button and it'll get you started. You don't have to start the ad just to play with the interface and see interests.

You can also see interests that are available by looking at FB's Audience Insights: https://www.facebook.com/ads/audience-insights
When I type in a best selling author's name, I get a match. When I type in an author with a smaller audience, I get no match and the name does not stay. Any way around this? Or is this just how it is. You get only a limited number of authors you can use as an interest?
 

Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2019, 02:12:47 AM »
The author in question needs to have a product or profile on Facebook for people to "like" or "follow" for you to target it. Sometimes you can find a fan group even when the author doesn't. But the point is that there has to be something for people to interact with on Facebook for you to target those interactions.

No author page, or book page, or fan group = nothing to aim at.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2019, 02:14:47 AM »
The author in question needs to have a product or profile on Facebook for people to "like" or "follow" for you to target it. Sometimes you can find a fan group even when the author doesn't. But the point is that there has to be something for people to interact with on Facebook for you to target those interactions.

No author page, or book page, or fan group = nothing to aim at.
The authors I type in all have Facebook pages. One is listed as 1.7 million likes. None stick.
 

Lu Kudzoza

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2019, 02:33:32 AM »
When you go to FB with a browser there is a triangle in the top right hand corner. When you click it you get options like "create page", "create group", "create ads", "manage ads". I always use the "manage ads" link. If you haven't created an ad yet maybe it doesn't show up. So click the "create ad" button and it'll get you started. You don't have to start the ad just to play with the interface and see interests.

You can also see interests that are available by looking at FB's Audience Insights: https://www.facebook.com/ads/audience-insights
When I type in a best selling author's name, I get a match. When I type in an author with a smaller audience, I get no match and the name does not stay. Any way around this? Or is this just how it is. You get only a limited number of authors you can use as an interest?

The list is limited and doesn't seem to make sense. You'd think an author with 1.7M likes would show up. What I did was make a list of every author who's style matched the book then started typing them into audience insights to see who was available. Lots of work, but worth it in the long run.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2019, 02:38:29 AM »
When you go to FB with a browser there is a triangle in the top right hand corner. When you click it you get options like "create page", "create group", "create ads", "manage ads". I always use the "manage ads" link. If you haven't created an ad yet maybe it doesn't show up. So click the "create ad" button and it'll get you started. You don't have to start the ad just to play with the interface and see interests.

You can also see interests that are available by looking at FB's Audience Insights: https://www.facebook.com/ads/audience-insights
When I type in a best selling author's name, I get a match. When I type in an author with a smaller audience, I get no match and the name does not stay. Any way around this? Or is this just how it is. You get only a limited number of authors you can use as an interest?

The list is limited and doesn't seem to make sense. You'd think an author with 1.7M likes would show up. What I did was make a list of every author who's style matched the book then started typing them into audience insights to see who was available. Lots of work, but worth it in the long run.
I have a list of ten authors that match my book. The two biggest didn't stick. I'll try the others but I have little hope since they are smaller. Disappointing if none work. I don't mind the work. I just want authors that match.
 

Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2019, 02:41:39 AM »
The author in question needs to have a product or profile on Facebook for people to "like" or "follow" for you to target it. Sometimes you can find a fan group even when the author doesn't. But the point is that there has to be something for people to interact with on Facebook for you to target those interactions.

No author page, or book page, or fan group = nothing to aim at.
The authors I type in all have Facebook pages. One is listed as 1.7 million likes. None stick.

Well that's weird. I have never had this problem. I've had things I wanted to target not be there, but never one there that I could not target.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2019, 02:45:48 AM »
The author in question needs to have a product or profile on Facebook for people to "like" or "follow" for you to target it. Sometimes you can find a fan group even when the author doesn't. But the point is that there has to be something for people to interact with on Facebook for you to target those interactions.

No author page, or book page, or fan group = nothing to aim at.
The authors I type in all have Facebook pages. One is listed as 1.7 million likes. None stick.

Well that's weird. I have never had this problem. I've had things I wanted to target not be there, but never one there that I could not target.
Your answer makes me wonder if I am accessing it from a different location than you and that's why the results are different. I am using the audience insights link Not Lu provided in this post.
 

Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2019, 02:52:27 AM »
Does your ad creation page look like this?:



https://imgur.com/a/rFYb3wD
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2019, 02:58:04 AM »
Does your ad creation page look like this?:



https://imgur.com/a/rFYb3wD
Similar, but different. You are accessing through Ads Manager. Apparently that makes the difference. I'll try through that gate. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2019, 07:13:21 AM »
Does your ad creation page look like this?:



https://imgur.com/a/rFYb3wD
Used Ads manager to create a target audience. Went to "Detailed Targeting"-"Include people who match one of the following." Same bad results. The authors have to be established and large in the media world and must appear from a list that shows when typing in a name. If they don't appear, the name disappears. Orson Scott Card works, Andy Weir works, Neal Stephenson works but Ernest Dempsey, Daniel Arenson, J. Robert Kennedy, Alex Lukeman, etc. don't. Too small apparently. You must be using authors with very large followings. Or there is something else at play that I'm missing.
 

Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2019, 09:17:19 PM »
There is a "critical mass" of user engagement that a brand or person has to have to get included in the suggested results. I believe you can just type in whatever you want, but I find the best results occur when the audience has at least 250,000 people in it (But less than 2,000,000). That will be hard if you just type in a low engagement target. I get a lot of cross sell with a fairly popular author, a guy who sells A LOT of books. But his Facebook presence still isn't big enough to generate a decent target, and his name does not generate a suggested target in Ads Manager.

From an advertising perspective, this is not a problem. His 5,000 followers are not worth the cost of impressions. Not because they aren't potential customers, but because the money used to target them would be better spent reaching out to a wider group. Funny you mention Stephenson, because I absolutely target people who like him. I buy impressions from HIS customers because there are more of them and they are accustomed to paying more for books. I like customers who aren't afraid to spend real money on books. The ad spend goes to more people who are willing to spend more money. I spend a lot of time on David Weber's audience, as well as John Ringo's.

Truthfully, you will have better results if you hitch your audience to higher-engagement brands.

Also, where do your ads point the customer?
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2019, 12:29:55 AM »
There is a "critical mass" of user engagement that a brand or person has to have to get included in the suggested results. I believe you can just type in whatever you want, but I find the best results occur when the audience has at least 250,000 people in it (But less than 2,000,000). That will be hard if you just type in a low engagement target. I get a lot of cross sell with a fairly popular author, a guy who sells A LOT of books. But his Facebook presence still isn't big enough to generate a decent target, and his name does not generate a suggested target in Ads Manager.

From an advertising perspective, this is not a problem. His 5,000 followers are not worth the cost of impressions. Not because they aren't potential customers, but because the money used to target them would be better spent reaching out to a wider group. Funny you mention Stephenson, because I absolutely target people who like him. I buy impressions from HIS customers because there are more of them and they are accustomed to paying more for books. I like customers who aren't afraid to spend real money on books. The ad spend goes to more people who are willing to spend more money. I spend a lot of time on David Weber's audience, as well as John Ringo's.

Truthfully, you will have better results if you hitch your audience to higher-engagement brands.

Also, where do your ads point the customer?
1. Valuable insights.
2. So you are saying that when you type in a name that does not appear on the list Facebook brings up, that name does not stick for you either. You simply move on to one of the names that do eventually appear and use that name because that author has a wider reach.
3. The ads will point to the books Amazon sales page.
 

Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2019, 03:20:45 AM »
1: Thanks
2: If I enter a name or keyword that Facebook does not have enough data for an audience, it will not "stick." If I enter a name and get no suggestions, it's a dead giveaway there is not enough audience to go after there. Facebook wants your ads to hit people, because they get paid by the click, so it's almost always a good idea to let them find a good audience. You should be trying to find brands or interests in your lane that have established audiences or behaviors. Facebook collects this data and uses it to push your ads. Don't try to out-think the machine.
3: I'd seriously consider getting an author website. Also, start a Facebook page. You can collect data on the people who like and follow you and use that to target future ads.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2019, 03:45:50 AM »
1: Thanks
2: If I enter a name or keyword that Facebook does not have enough data for an audience, it will not "stick." If I enter a name and get no suggestions, it's a dead giveaway there is not enough audience to go after there. Facebook wants your ads to hit people, because they get paid by the click, so it's almost always a good idea to let them find a good audience. You should be trying to find brands or interests in your lane that have established audiences or behaviors. Facebook collects this data and uses it to push your ads. Don't try to out-think the machine.
3: I'd seriously consider getting an author website. Also, start a Facebook page. You can collect data on the people who like and follow you and use that to target future ads.
I have both website and Facebook page (Can't do Facebook ads with out one). But you think directing traffic to the website page that has links to where the books are available is better than sending them directly to the retailer sales page. I would have thought that eliminating a click by getting them directly to the retailer would be preferable.
 
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Scrapper78

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2019, 03:49:56 AM »
For direct sales, it probably is. But indirectly, getting people to interact with your website or your facebook page creates data. All the online behavior of the people you get to click "like" or click over to your website is tracked by facebook. When you have enough of that data, facebook will let you build "lookalike" audiences. These are audiences made up of people who have not interacted with your page (yet) but are similar to those who have.

Then you can target people who are JUST LIKE the people who already like your product/content/whatever. These are advertising gold.
 

mike herman

Re: facebook ads
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2019, 04:00:56 AM »
For direct sales, it probably is. But indirectly, getting people to interact with your website or your facebook page creates data. All the online behavior of the people you get to click "like" or click over to your website is tracked by facebook. When you have enough of that data, facebook will let you build "lookalike" audiences. These are audiences made up of people who have not interacted with your page (yet) but are similar to those who have.

Then you can target people who are JUST LIKE the people who already like your product/content/whatever. These are advertising gold.
Great strategy. Thanks.