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Jeff Tanyard

Dune review
« on: October 24, 2021, 06:38:46 PM »
I have seen Villeneuve's Dune, and it was very good.  Recommended.

That's the short version.  Now for the longer one...



***Warning: Spoilers!***

***This whole post is basically a spoiler, so I'm not using spoiler tags.  Proceed at your own risk!***


The first thing readers want to know is whether the movie is a faithful adaptation of the book.  Well, it is.  It's one of the most faithful book adaptations I've seen.  There are no weirding modules like in the Lynch film.  The movie didn't add anything that made me roll my eyes.

The movie did subtract some things, though.  The dinner scene was omitted, and that's unfortunate, because that gives us some background about the political situation on Arrakis and the various factions involved.  In fact, it seems like the Harkonnen attack occurs practically the day after the Atreides get there.  There's no "settling in" period for the newcomers, nor do we get to see much of the Fremen in a peaceful environment.

In the book, each chapter has an epigraph written by Princess Irulan.  These don't make it into the film.  I doubt putting these up on screen would have added more than five minutes to the running time, but I guess that's too much to spare.  I would have liked to have seen them, though.

No baliset playing from Gurney Halleck.  :(  And Brolin even talked about it a year ago!

Maybe it got cut.  Who knows...





Now let's talk dialog.  Or, rather, the whispering and mumbling and gasping and muttering that passes for dialog in modern movies.

I know Hollywood thinks this sort of thing adds emotion and depth and whatnot to the lines, but there's also something to be said for being able to actually understand the words coming from the characters' mouths.  I want clear enunciation, dadgummit!  If I can't understand the dialog, then what's the point?  Stellan Skarsgard put on a voice so gravelly and guttural that it might as well have been a cement mixer.  Rebecca Ferguson was gasping and whispering everything.

A thick accent can be a problem, too.  I had a hard time with Javier Bardem's accent.  And Chang Chen's.

Jason Momoa and Oscar Isaac spoke their lines well.  I understood them without struggle.  The Mentats did well, too, but they were barely on screen for any length of time.

I blame the director for all this, by the way, not the actors.  It's the director's job to tell the actors how to speak their lines.

Comparing the actors, I'll go ahead and say this: Oscar Isaac had the best performance in the movie.  Totally believable as both the authoritative Duke and as a loving family man.

On the subject of Momoa, I'm not really a fan.  The first time I saw him was in North Shore, and I can't get the image of the "surfer dude" out of my head.  Sort of ruins it for everything else I've seen him in.  I think shaving his head--or at least cutting his hair short--would go a long way to counter that image, but if he was ever going to do that, it would have happened by now.  He did shave his beard after arriving on Arrakis, though.  (He's bearded on Caladan.)  I imagine a clean-shaven face gets a better seal with the mouthpiece of a stillsuit, and I'd like to believe Duncan Idaho came to the same conclusion.

As for Jessica...

*smh*

Book Jessica is a trained Bene Gesserit.  She has a high level of mastery over her facial expressions and body language.  That's what they teach in Bene Gesserit school.  No matter what happens, they're supposed to look like they're in control of themselves.

Movie Jessica was an emotional wreck.  Complete opposite of Book Jessica.  She spent half the movie looking like she was on the verge of a panic attack.  I don't know whose idea it was to play it like that, but it was a terrible disservice to the character.

Timothy Chalamet did pretty well, I thought.  He whispered/muttered too many lines for me to say his performance was great, but it was good enough.  He didn't look totally clumsy in the fight scenes, and that's always a plus.

We only hear the Fear Litany twice, and it's from Jessica both times, and she's gasping it out in a way that makes it difficult to discern.  I was disappointed about that.  I wanted to hear Paul recite it, especially during the gom jabbar scene.  This was one instance where an internal monologue voiceover would have been both warranted and potentially really cool.

Now let's talk effects...

The ornithopters were absolutely badass.  My favorite scenes in the movie were the ones involving ornithopters.  They looked like a dragonfly mated with an Apache helicopter.  The effects guys totally nailed it here.

Sweeping vistas and all-around impressive visuals.  It's an epic movie, and it looks it.

As for the sandworms, we really don't see them that much.  I expect we'll see more of them in part 2, though, if that movie gets filmed and sticks to the book as well as this one does.

On the subject of costumes, it seemed like everyone wore either black, white, or gray.  :/  I would have liked to have seen a little more color.  They have dyes on Arrakis, right?

There were no internal monologues like in the Lynch film and the book.  They're not missed, either (except for the Fear Litany already mentioned).  Everything is communicated via dialog, visions, hand signals, etc., and none of it seemed like clunky exposition to me.  This is one of the challenges of making a Dune movie, and Villeneuve met that challenge very well.

The movie ended right after the fight with Jamis, but I think I would have saved that for the second part.  I would have ended this movie with Paul and Jessica alone in the desert and about to set out to find the Fremen.  I then would have filled that extra time with the dinner scene from the book and the epigraphs.

The music was good.  Not great, but good.  I enjoyed it.  It was mystical and sort of Arabesque, so it totally fit the setting.  My main criticism of it is that it was kind of monotonous.  Not as much variation as I would have liked.  And that lack of variation often resulted in a mood that didn't quite fit the scene as much as I would have liked.  For example, when the Atreides first set foot on Arrakis, we get this bagpipe type stuff:





This music creates a vibe of mystery and tension, but it's not triumphant.  It almost sounds like it could be a funeral march.  I think the mood here should have been triumphant.  This is the high point for the Atreides family, after all.  They're together, they've got their army chanting their House name, they've got the locals praising Paul as the potential messiah... everything feels victorious.  After this, it's all downhill.  Let the audience feel that triumph of the moment so that the later catastrophes will feel more catastrophic by contrast.

For an example of what I'm talking about, consider this scene from Jurassic Park.  Pay close attention to the changes in the music throughout the scene.





Hans Zimmer is a fine composer, but John Williams is a master of the craft.  (For more on the music of Jurassic Park, check this out.)

The film ends with the Fremen leading Paul and Jessica to the sietch.  The group is toting Jamis's enshrouded corpse.  We then get our first glimpse of a Fremen riding a sandworm in the distance, Chani tells Paul it's just the beginning, and they all walk off into the sunset.  The rider was a cool effect, and it made for a nice way to end part one, though like I said, I would have ended it sooner.

 

Well, that's it.  Like I said, Dune is a very good movie, so give it a shot.  And keep in mind that it's just part one of two, so don't expect a satisfying conclusion.  That comes later (hopefully).
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2021, 02:31:00 AM »
Dune is nearly impossible to film, with that said, this was pretty damn good. Epic!

I agree with most of your opinion, especially the ornithopters - totally wicked. My only complaint was that it didn't have quite enough space to breathe and felt a bit rushed. But, being familiar with the material, it could also have been my anticipation at work, sabotaging my movie going experience. I guess I'll just have to watch a few more times to be sure.
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Very good movie and I hope they're already busy with Part 2.
 
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2021, 05:44:06 AM »
My only complaint was that it didn't have quite enough space to breathe and felt a bit rushed.


I agree.  It felt at times like the director had a list of plot points he had to hit and was hurrying from one to the other.

My hope is that there will be an extended version on DVD that will fill the movie out a bit more and make it feel a lot more seamless.
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2021, 07:47:26 AM »
My hope is that there will be an extended version on DVD that will fill the movie out a bit more and make it feel a lot more seamless.

We can only hope. I'd happily sit through a 4 hour director's cut.
 
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2021, 07:57:04 AM »
 That’s typical of adaptations. Complex novels boiled down to plot points. It sure was beautifully rendered.
 
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2021, 05:56:41 PM »
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2023, 05:37:50 AM »
My only complaint was that it didn't have quite enough space to breathe and felt a bit rushed.


I agree.  It felt at times like the director had a list of plot points he had to hit and was hurrying from one to the other.

My hope is that there will be an extended version on DVD that will fill the movie out a bit more and make it feel a lot more seamless.

My feelings too.

I wanted it to be a more slow burn (no pun) of a movie.

The four hour director's cut re Jeff Tanyard would be nice - assuming it's not already out as I post this.
 
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2023, 11:18:56 AM »
The good:

--I have to disagree with the OP---OMG the soundtrack. So good. If you didn't see it in a big theatre or have an exceptional sound system at home, you miss a lot without the sound. For me, perfect. I didn't want Star Wars.

--The grand effects and cinematography.

--The fight scenes--exciting, accurate, brutal, canonical, believable.

--Hand signals, the Voice, lots of little details they got right.

--Oscar Isaac!

--The overall feeling of Atreides vs. Harkonnen.

--Dave Bautista as Rabban.

The bad:

--Wasted screen time on the "watering the palm trees" scenes. Besides, weren't all the plants like that inside in the grand gardens?

-- Muttered lines--spot on. Annoying AF.

--Gurney and Duncan--absolutely bad casting. The fix? Swap their roles. So simple. Each actor would have played the other's role better. This occurred to me immediately, and I've rewatched it several times, and I still think so.

The Ugly:

--Jessica--Don't get me started. Execrable. Overacted. Wrong casting, bad acting, bad direction. If you're watching at home, just fast-forward through her parts until they escape to the desert.





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Re: Dune review
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2023, 11:04:24 PM »
I couldn't disagree more about Jessica, the character, actor and her performance. She was as amazing as everything else.

Agree about the audio. For anyone without an awesome stereo, go buy an awesome set of headphones and watch it that way.

Muttered lines seems to be a thing these days. I'm constantly riding the volume on the remote, trying to make out whispered dialogue and then abruptly turning it down when the action goes up 10 db.

I've watched it 3 times now, and it's still fantastic.
 
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Re: Dune review
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2023, 05:29:55 PM »
Trailer for part 2 is out:


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Re: Dune review
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2023, 10:12:24 AM »
I have seen Villeneuve's Dune, and it was very good.  Recommended.


I have seen Villeneuve's Dune two times. Three maybe? (Saw it enough times to wade through the mumbling and get the dialog.) I, too, recommend it. Beats hell out of the trash Disney makes of the MCU and DCU.

Surprised that Timothee Chalamet pulled off his role. Oscar Isaac played his part pitch perfect. I liked Rebecca Ferguson, but I gotta admit that I have a crush on her. (Don't tell my wife.) With the exception of Skarsgard, everyone else did well.

IMO Jason Momoa played Duncan Idaho quite well. Made his character memorable.

Josh Brolin as Gurney Halleck cracked me up: I am smiling.

I do not recall Paul fighting a duel with a Fremen in the version of Dune I read, but I may be mistaken.

For those who want to read the original, it was published as a three-part series called 'Dune World' beginning with Analog's December 1963 issue. Herbert continued with a five-part (!) series called 'The Prophet of Dune' in 1965. You can chase that down yourself at Luminist.

BTW when anyone defends tradpub as curators, take 'em to school. Every tradpub rejected Dune. Herbert got 88 rejections. After Analog published the story. Who published the book? Chilton. The people who printed books on how to fix your Chevy.
 
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