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Google: 1. the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
                 a person or being with the ability to acquire and apply knowledge.

            2. the collection of information of military or political value.

Merriam-Webster: 1 a (1): the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations: reason  also : the skilled use of reason   (2): the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (such as tests)

Wikipedia dives even deeper and includes Artificial Intelligence along with the other definitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence
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According to google:

Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

So, yeah, technically AI is intelligent. It 'learns', just not like humans do.

Not what I'm seeing.

The bots do what they are coded to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

Intelligence in bots requires going beyond the code. There is no sign of that yet. Just marketing tricks to fool people. It's just code.

And by that definition, the majority of humans are NOT intelligent.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Tim Boucher interview defending his use of AI to create works
« Last post by PJ Post on September 30, 2024, 12:09:58 AM »
Intelligence is not the same as sentience or self-determination. AI has no agency in terms of motivation or drive or desire.

According to google:

Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

So, yeah, technically AI is intelligent. It 'learns', just not like humans do.

I still find it easier to think about it as a sonic screwdriver capable of whatever the plot requires.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Tim Boucher interview defending his use of AI to create works
« Last post by Matthew on September 29, 2024, 10:54:58 PM »
Because there is no intelligence behind AI.

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But there is no intelligence there.  Machine "learning" may be a form of training, but the machine never actually learns anything.  It may be trained to perform a function, but it did not learn.  It does not understand.  It may mimic learning and it may mimic understanding but that does not mean it has accomplished either.
They butchered the name for a buzzword. Any true learning is probably now lumped into Artificial General Intelligence, which is still science fiction, but has the same meaning we all originally assigned to AI.

Machine learning as a term may be coopted by AI soon, but it has a distinct meaning now as well. It was mostly about designing algorithms using statistics. A simplified version is that a Reinforcement Learning model (a category of ML) is given a series of actions it can perform, and is given a score based on the results the actions. You run hundreds, thousands, etc. of these. For example, you may give it a Mario game and ask it to maximize points or time to complete a level. So it can self-improve. But it's still dumb, so it's not really "learning" why a certain combination of buttons results in a certain score. In the way that the new "AI" operates, it's hard to fit it into these kinds of definitions.
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The more AI companies demand more data to build AI models, the more obvious it becomes that there is no actual intelligence behind their AI.

It is just algorithms that are either spinning input to create the illusion that its output is new or making predictions about what word should come next based on the textual data input into it.  (Or photos, art, etc., but for just focusing on text here.)

And it may pick up on patterns we might not notice (especially where "AI" is used for problem solving situations) and thus it might seem intelligent but there's no intelligence.

If there is no intelligence, there is no learning comparable to how humans learn.

Which means that arguments that it is okay to use copyrighted material without permission or compensation for the copyright holders does not hold water because it is not learning from the material in the same or similar way to how humans learn.

Because there is no intelligence behind AI.

There is no there there.

If there were actual intelligence, you could feed the AI school textbooks in order and it would learn the material and understand the material and be able to read and write and understand and all that.

It would not need to scan hundreds of thousands of articles and books and whatnot to be functionally literate.

But there is no intelligence there.  Machine "learning" may be a form of training, but the machine never actually learns anything.  It may be trained to perform a function, but it did not learn.  It does not understand.  It may mimic learning and it may mimic understanding but that does not mean it has accomplished either.

Which means AI companies should not use material that isn't public domain or hasn't been properly licensed from the copyright holder.
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AI could be an existential threat to publishers – that’s why Mumsnet is fighting back
Justine Roberts/CEO Mumsnet   Guardian   28 Sep 2024

Google is “pushing to overhaul UK copyright law in a way that would allow it to freely mine other publishers’ content for commercial gain without compensation….it’s not as if these tech giants can’t afford to properly compensate publishers. OpenAI is currently fundraising to the tune of $6.5bn, the single largest venture capital round of all time, valuing the enterprise at a cool $150bn….Google’s proposal to change our laws would allow billion-dollar companies to waltz untrammelled over any notion of a fair value exchange in the name of rapid ‘development’…[even though] there’s more than enough money flooding into AI companies for everyone to be fairly and sustainably rewarded for their contribution….”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/28/mumsnet-ai-google-openai-publishing-copyright
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In recent years NaNo has spent a lot of money and effort on young people's programs. I've never understood why, since the majority users of NaNo are always young people anyway. It's mostly teenagers writing fantasy. I applaud those efforts. If NaNo had existed when I was that age, by my twenties I would have been a legit novelist. And I would have had a long traditional publishing career as an author writing one book a year. Now I'm trying to make up for lost time.
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The NaNo stuff could be its own thread. There's been so much controversy since like 2022... I think it's time for a new organization to step in and the old one to be dissolved.

My question would be why does there even need to be an organization?

I've never really understood that either.
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The NaNo stuff could be its own thread. There's been so much controversy since like 2022... I think it's time for a new organization to step in and the old one to be dissolved.

My question would be why does there even need to be an organization?
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Tim Boucher interview defending his use of AI to create works
« Last post by Matthew on September 13, 2024, 12:10:18 AM »
The NaNo stuff could be its own thread. There's been so much controversy since like 2022... I think it's time for a new organization to step in and the old one to be dissolved.
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