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The National Novel Writing Month (NaNoWriMo) organization

I thought their entire aim was getting people to write?

For an organization like that to support AI is just wrong.

That could badly backfire on them.

There's been a lot of negative chatter about this foolish statement, and some high-profile people have withdrawn from NaNoWriMo. On the NaNo site there is no public statement to members about this issue. The latest communication from NaNo admin to members was in April. As a longtime member, I still intend to use NaNo to help me focus on writing 50k words in November, but the forums in which we talk and encourage each other are still frozen. Those forums were shut in mid-November last year. If the board doesn't reopen them by October, its traditional wipe month, NaNoWriMo is dead--whether that is publicly admitted or not.

As for AI content, NaNoWriMo "wins" are all on one's honor. Word count is self-reported. At one time we had to copy and paste our ms., but no longer. Nobody looks at the content, only the word count. If AI content is allowed, some bright people will "win" on November 1. Some always do, anyway, claiming that they type really fast. It never has mattered. It's not a contest. The real issue for me is the forums. If we can't talk to each other, there's no NaNo.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Tim Boucher interview defending his use of AI to create works
« Last post by PJ Post on September 12, 2024, 11:18:52 PM »
Which brings us back to the question of how much the human author contributed.

If the user is prompting the AI to achieve specific results, then 100%. If the user is throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks...then probably less.

The ironic thing is that bespoke books and movies are almost here - music generation already is.
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The National Novel Writing Month (NaNoWriMo) organization

I thought their entire aim was getting people to write?

For an organization like that to support AI is just wrong.

That could badly backfire on them.
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Are novelists who worry about the rise of AI really ‘classist and ableist’?
The Guardian  11 Sep 2024

The National Novel Writing Month (NaNoWriMo) organization said in a recent statement that “‘The categorical condemnation of artificial intelligence has classist and ableist undertones…questions around the use of AI tie to questions around privilege.’  Er…what?...did someone in the managerial class fire up ChatGPT and prompt it to weaponise social justice language in defence of a technology that has been accused of stealing from artists and writers…and is now making the rich richer? This weird statement sparked a lot of anger and four members of NaNoWriMo’s writers board stepped down in protest….We’re in a Choose Your Own Adventure scenario with AI at the moment. And right now we seem to be choosing the dystopian ending.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/11/are-novelists-who-worry-about-the-rise-of-ai-really-classist-and-ableist
Apparently, the concern is that people with disabilities have to use AI to create literature. The thing is, such people created things before AI existed. There are other options.

As for opposition to AI being classist, it seems to me that defending the massive theft of the IP of others shows far more privilege than attacking the theft.
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AI is incapable of original insight.

But the human user prompting/directing the AI is.
Which brings us back to the question of how much the human author contributed. Certainly, a human using AI to improve workflow is capable of having original insights. But one of the problems with Ai use is that, like Boucher, an author can get stuck defending his work against perhaps unwarranted allegations. Someone who saved the process materials at each stage could certainly prove how much of the writing is truly his creation, but it seems like a hassle, even then.
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Are novelists who worry about the rise of AI really ‘classist and ableist’?
The Guardian  11 Sep 2024

The National Novel Writing Month (NaNoWriMo) organization said in a recent statement that “‘The categorical condemnation of artificial intelligence has classist and ableist undertones…questions around the use of AI tie to questions around privilege.’  Er…what?...did someone in the managerial class fire up ChatGPT and prompt it to weaponise social justice language in defence of a technology that has been accused of stealing from artists and writers…and is now making the rich richer? This weird statement sparked a lot of anger and four members of NaNoWriMo’s writers board stepped down in protest….We’re in a Choose Your Own Adventure scenario with AI at the moment. And right now we seem to be choosing the dystopian ending.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/11/are-novelists-who-worry-about-the-rise-of-ai-really-classist-and-ableist
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Tim Boucher interview defending his use of AI to create works
« Last post by PJ Post on September 11, 2024, 10:01:08 PM »
AI is incapable of original insight.

But the human user prompting/directing the AI is.
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Well, maybe those reviews came from reddit, and maybe they came from passersby moved by outrate at the misrepresentation of the content.

Regardless of anything else, if the art is AI art, it should be labeled. I'd feel the same about art done by a human artist. The author of the text shouldn't be claiming credit for the art. Credit where credit is due.

But whether from reddit or not, these reviews do indicate that not everybody is cool with AI. I see the same kind of reactions on Substack, which, whatever else it may, isn't a hellscape.

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All that seems to matter to most consumers is if the end product is entertaining, inciteful or has artistic merit.
AI is incapable of original insight.

Sometimes, even beneficial tech languishes. We've had the know-how to clone organs (for transplant purposes) for a long time. The process has never been implemented because of fears about cloning complete human beings. I understand the fear, but lives are being lost because of it.

Ai is really popular with people--as long as it doesn't threaten them. As unemployment grows, and the economy teeters toward another recession, that won't long be the case, particularly not when politicians start calling it AIcession. (Of course, the US being so polarized, they'll disagree on what to call it and blame each other for it.)
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Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/Legend-Rozafa-Ancient-Shkodra-Albanian/dp/B0D6LGPBHC

I'm glad this author talked about his process on reddit but also this is a huge warning to never talk about anything you're doing on that hellsite - all the one-star reviews are clearly people from reddit come to crap on something because it's AI.

If I hadn't been told it was AI I would have just thought it was generic-okay art to tell a fairy tale. I think it's an excellent use of the art generation software.

edit: out of the five one-star reviews, four of them have never reviewed anything else before. The classic proof of the raging drive-by one-star review just because this author dared to talk about it on reddit.

Stay anon, stay safe, make money is the lesson.
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I've always wished I could draw as easily as I can write. Would love to have the ability to command a program to produce a graphic novel--especially since all my favorite artists are dead. However, from long experience I know that perception of quality in graphics varies widely from one consumer to the next. Some very pedestrian artists have gotten a lot of work over the years from people who can't differentiate competent drawing from a hack mess. So do you have a link?
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