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Well, maybe those reviews came from reddit, and maybe they came from passersby moved by outrate at the misrepresentation of the content.

Regardless of anything else, if the art is AI art, it should be labeled. I'd feel the same about art done by a human artist. The author of the text shouldn't be claiming credit for the art. Credit where credit is due.

But whether from reddit or not, these reviews do indicate that not everybody is cool with AI. I see the same kind of reactions on Substack, which, whatever else it may, isn't a hellscape.

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All that seems to matter to most consumers is if the end product is entertaining, inciteful or has artistic merit.
AI is incapable of original insight.

Sometimes, even beneficial tech languishes. We've had the know-how to clone organs (for transplant purposes) for a long time. The process has never been implemented because of fears about cloning complete human beings. I understand the fear, but lives are being lost because of it.

Ai is really popular with people--as long as it doesn't threaten them. As unemployment grows, and the economy teeters toward another recession, that won't long be the case, particularly not when politicians start calling it AIcession. (Of course, the US being so polarized, they'll disagree on what to call it and blame each other for it.)
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Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/Legend-Rozafa-Ancient-Shkodra-Albanian/dp/B0D6LGPBHC

I'm glad this author talked about his process on reddit but also this is a huge warning to never talk about anything you're doing on that hellsite - all the one-star reviews are clearly people from reddit come to crap on something because it's AI.

If I hadn't been told it was AI I would have just thought it was generic-okay art to tell a fairy tale. I think it's an excellent use of the art generation software.

edit: out of the five one-star reviews, four of them have never reviewed anything else before. The classic proof of the raging drive-by one-star review just because this author dared to talk about it on reddit.

Stay anon, stay safe, make money is the lesson.
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I've always wished I could draw as easily as I can write. Would love to have the ability to command a program to produce a graphic novel--especially since all my favorite artists are dead. However, from long experience I know that perception of quality in graphics varies widely from one consumer to the next. Some very pedestrian artists have gotten a lot of work over the years from people who can't differentiate competent drawing from a hack mess. So do you have a link?
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All that seems to matter to most consumers is if the end product is entertaining, inciteful or has artistic merit. No one owes an artist a career, a job or validation. If someone can use various tools (automation et al) to get it done faster while being more lucrative - sounds like a win.

We're currently in that 'rock-n-roll' is the devil's music period with AI. It will pass. Eventually, AI will be the new normalcy bias - how did we ever get by without robots?

I saw recently a guy who used AI art programs to make a graphic novel of a fairy tale from his home country about a particular castle that is there.

It came out really well. He had to mess around a bit just to get the characters to stay consistent and so on but he managed to create a pretty-good short-story length graphic novel way faster and cheaper than hiring an illustrator.

Anyone who has ever had anything illustrated understands how slow it is, how time-consuming.

This graphic novel was really the first time I ever saw it as an absolutely viable thing that will be coming.

Before long, graphic novels will be like audiobooks - just another format for authors to put their work into. The programs to make them will just get better and better until it can store characters and keep them consistent, store locations.

There will be a time where it's six programs patched together to make one of these things and then eventually we'll get to Vellum levels of simplicity - just import your manuscript and watch it spit out a full graphic novel.

I really can't wait. It's going to be amazing. A real explosion of beautiful cool things and super low cost so it's very accessible.
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I think AI is cheating a bit when it comes to writing, but that's because I'm a writer. If I were a narrator or artist, then I'd probably feel the same way about those uses. 

However, PJ is right. The public probably doesn't care.  I see it all the time in fundraising campaigns.  AI art seems to get more attention than the other campaigns.  And it less expensive to use it. 

At the end of the day, it comes down to the individual and what they are comfortable using/buying.

ETA: I'm not sure AI could come up with what I'm writing into this latest fairytale.  And if it did, they'd probably think it was a glitch. LOL
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Scandal some yrs back when discovered that Dali had signed thousands of blank pieces of paper (selling his autograph) on some of which others added images and sold as signed Dali prints.  No scandal if they'd been marketed as Dali+other.  Writer using AI ought to sign me+AI, to give AI the credit it deserves.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Tim Boucher interview defending his use of AI to create works
« Last post by PJ Post on September 09, 2024, 10:14:49 PM »
All that seems to matter to most consumers is if the end product is entertaining, inciteful or has artistic merit. No one owes an artist a career, a job or validation. If someone can use various tools (automation et al) to get it done faster while being more lucrative - sounds like a win.

We're currently in that 'rock-n-roll' is the devil's music period with AI. It will pass. Eventually, AI will be the new normalcy bias - how did we ever get by without robots?
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I don't think he's necessarily saying AI "wrote" them, either. I think the thrust of his comment was related to work flow, with the implication being that the final product is what he would have produced, but it would have taken him longer.

And no, we don't disagree. I would think that someone who has AI doing all the fleshing out is probably letting AI do too much. My comment was directed at the specifics of his comment, explaining why he wanted to refute the idea that AI produced the whole thing. I wasn't really trying to comment on the desirability of what he might or might not have done.
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We disagree then.  I'm not concerned about the source of the ideas so much as the source of the writing.

If the AI spits out some ideas, and he makes a story of it, that's fine by me.  I mean, you could throw plot ideas and character ideas and such into a box and randomly pull out a handful and use that as a challenge to write a story.  So, I don't see where it matters whether the AI randomly generates some story ideas or if you pull them out of a hat or whatever.

If he takes his own ideas and has AI "write" them, then I see that as an issue because of the issues we've discussed in these forums in the past.

If he has AI come up with the ideas and also has AI "write" them, then, again, that's an issue.

So, from my perspective, saying the ideas came from the author is not a defense because if the AI still "wrote" the dang things, then there's the potential problem.
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I don't think we're necessarily arguing over semantics. All I'm saying is that Boucher is having problems because people believed AI was doing the writing for him. His response was that the ideas were his, and he was just using AI to facilitate. He probably could have responded in other ways as well. But my comment was shaped by what his response actually was, not by my own perception of the nature of ideas. I agree with you that ideas can come from a lot of places. But certainly one way to defend against critics who claim the books were just AI productions would be to say that the ideas came from the author, not from AI.
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