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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Really?
« Last post by PJ Post on July 07, 2024, 01:16:17 AM »
AI is no more evil than any other aspect of late stage capitalism. For example, no one seems to have a problem buying sneakers or smart phones (google it). The Future is inevitable. It's like trying to buy American - we don't make anything anymore. And since my career is literally one of the industries being AI'ed away, I think my opinion is pretty valid on the subject.

And the AI tools we have are truly next level. Of course, like anything else, we have to learn how to use them to get the best results.
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Most word processors can make bulleted lists with uniform spacing automatically. A Post-Crisis D suggests, you also define tabs to force the text into that pattern, though that's a little more work.

Just for the sake of anyone else reading this, that's also why you define styles to control paragraph tabs. Spacing to create paragraph indents causes the same problem.

Thanks. I never learned how to use headings or styles and originally formatted everything manually. It then became a mission to go back and try to add styles so I just carried on doing it manually  :icon_rolleyes:
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Really?
« Last post by LilyBLily on July 06, 2024, 02:33:19 PM »
Most of us can cut some costs, depending on our various capabilities and tolerances, but we'll each choose different areas. Some of us can get free editing or do it well ourselves. Others can design great covers. Others are ace at formatting. Others thrive in critique groups, while still others are dynamite at writing newsletters and mobilizing street teams.

And so on. There are many things we can do free or inexpensively and that don't feel like horrid drudgery. We simply have to figure out what those things are and avoid wasting our time and effort and money on the rest.


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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Really?
« Last post by Bill Hiatt on July 06, 2024, 11:42:08 AM »
You know I'm going to say they're doing it wrong. Branding and social media, apart from our time, are pretty close to free.

And between free Grammarly, Word and your chatbot du jour, you should be able to get a nice edit. Have the chatbot summarize passages to make sure your themes are resonating and clear. Do character studies, lots of tools to help us publish pro work. DIY covers aren't that tough either, between AI images and the free or dirt cheap graphics programs out there, there's just no reason to pay that much anymore. It's not like we don't have a ton of examples to emulate.

I think a lot of self-publishers are still trying to follow the traditional marketing path (perhaps they're seeking validation) even though it hasn't really worked in years. The internet has moved on.
Social media is pretty much free--but in that case, you get what you pay for. Most of them have clogged the channels with algorithms designed to force you to spend money on ads if you want to have any real reach.

Despite my 56,000 followers on FB, I could literally nuke every one of my social media accounts tomorrow and not see any significant effect at all. Long ago, with much fewer followers, that wouldn't have been true. But it is pretty much true now.

As for editing, I've used Grammarly. I've used Pro Writing Aid. Not any more. Aside from the enormous number of false positives that I have to grind my way through, I'm not using any AI-connected tool if the developers didn't compensate people for the training data. Anyway, I've seen nothing to convince me that AI does as well as a human editor. And as for using a chatbot, same problem. Remember, AI is only looking for ways to reproduce patterns, as you yourself have pointed out. It doesn't truly understand the material.

That's also my response to creating covers with AI. As I've mentioned, I have experimented with creating images using Shutterstock AI (which does compensate artists for the use of their work). And I have gotten some beautiful images, but the enormous number of misfires reinforce my point that AI is moving data around without understanding it. Anyway, I use it only for situations in which I wouldn't hire an artist, anyway. At most, I'd use a stock photo under the same plan I use for AI.

Frankly, putting editors and artists out of business is not in our long-term best interest. It's not even really in AI's best interest. As fresh training data diminishes, the AI becomes worse, not better. But if we're not careful, it will be the only alternative we have. It'll be about that time that corporate America starts charging us ridiculous rates for  the use of AI. Or maybe the high energy demands of Ai will force regulation, even rationing.

As nice as it would be if everything were free, we're not there yet. The most we can get is temporarily free but with long-term costs
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Really?
« Last post by TimothyEllis on July 06, 2024, 10:18:07 AM »
I think a lot of self-publishers are still trying to follow the traditional marketing path (perhaps they're seeking validation) even though it hasn't really worked in years. The internet has moved on.

That may be true.

I've been seeing one new author getting her first book ready to publish, and everything she's done has raised my eyebrows and made me think she's following some Trad how to guide. I'd have had her book out a year ago. She's still in group crit chapter sessions.

She recently refused to believe there were 6 and 7 figure Indie authors, which is what I get all the time from Trad authors.
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Formatter's Forge [Public] / Re: Bullet list justified text looking odd
« Last post by Bill Hiatt on July 06, 2024, 05:21:56 AM »
Most word processors can make bulleted lists with uniform spacing automatically. A Post-Crisis D suggests, you also define tabs to force the text into that pattern, though that's a little more work.

Just for the sake of anyone else reading this, that's also why you define styles to control paragraph tabs. Spacing to create paragraph indents causes the same problem.
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Did you use defined tabs to set the spacing or actual spaces?  If the latter, that will almost always cause problems.

Not very clued up so probably used actual spaces  :icon_rolleyes:
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Formatter's Forge [Public] / Re: Bullet list justified text looking odd
« Last post by Post-Crisis D on July 06, 2024, 03:09:21 AM »
Did you use defined tabs to set the spacing or actual spaces?  If the latter, that will almost always cause problems.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Really?
« Last post by PJ Post on July 06, 2024, 01:16:04 AM »
You know I'm going to say they're doing it wrong. Branding and social media, apart from our time, are pretty close to free.

And between free Grammarly, Word and your chatbot du jour, you should be able to get a nice edit. Have the chatbot summarize passages to make sure your themes are resonating and clear. Do character studies, lots of tools to help us publish pro work. DIY covers aren't that tough either, between AI images and the free or dirt cheap graphics programs out there, there's just no reason to pay that much anymore. It's not like we don't have a ton of examples to emulate.

I think a lot of self-publishers are still trying to follow the traditional marketing path (perhaps they're seeking validation) even though it hasn't really worked in years. The internet has moved on.
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I've no answer to that really.

I hit formatting problems in one of my early non-fiction books, and ended mocking it up how I wanted it to look, taking an image of it, and inserting the image. Hi res for the paperback, and low res for the eBook.

It was a lot of extra work, but it solved the formatting issues.

I'll have to consult with the printer as they might have the answer. I can see me trying to do it and messing up the rest of it  :icon_rolleyes:
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