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Writer's Haven => Writer's Workshop [Public] => Topic started by: Al Macy (aka TromboneAl) on October 29, 2018, 12:53:53 AM
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When I find a clear-cut grammar rule I follow it religiously.
Here's the rule I use with "like" vs. "as if": "If the clause that comes next includes a verb, then you should use as. For example, Squiggly throws as if he were a raccoon ..." (from: https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/like-versus-as ).
My editor suggests that sometimes I should use "like" even when "as if" is called for. It's more colloquial, and I use so many similes that all the "as if"s get monotonous.
Also, I've found that many popular authors use "like" and "as if" interchangeably.
What about you?
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In dialogue, I tend to use like unless I want the character to sound like Cher from Clueless.. Otherwise I stick with as if.
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Tricky one. Grammar rules often don't keep up with modern usage.
When I'm reading Jane Austen and other classics, I expect a certain, proper prose. When I'm reading something more modern, I expect a modern approach to common use. When I get a "may not" instead of "can not" or a "whom" instead of a "who," it can stick out like a sore thumb.
People today don't use "as if" much in spoken language. As a result, I'm careful how I use it in my prose. If "as if" slides right in so that it won't hang the reader up, then I'll use that. But if "like" will keep them skimming through, then I use that.
It's all about user/reader experience.
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To me like sounds modern and colloquial. Since I write historicals, I don't use if often.
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I mostly use as if, unless deliberately trying to write down for some reason, or in dialogue.
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For me, it just depends on the story, such as the era, how the characters would authentically speak, if it's a trendy YA book, etc. I've used both, but in the narrative, I almost always use "as if". I don't use "as though", though. I'm not against it; it just sounds way too formal.
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Interesting! I am struggling to remember the last time I used "as if" - apart from the Cher example quoted above, it sounds more formal to me. However, I'm pretty sure I use "like" all the time, and probably incorrectly.
That said, I'm one of the many millions who made it through the school system with no formal grammar education, and many of the "rules" I use are because it feels right, rather than because I know there's a "rule". :eek:
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To me like sounds modern and colloquial. Since I write historicals, I don't use if often.
Same here. In my contemporary books, I'd use 'like'. For the historical ones, 'as if'.
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For dialog, I'd mostly use like instead of as if. In other cases, I'd stick with as if when it was the grammatically correct choice unless it sounded incredibly awkward.
I've noticed interesting variations among the editors I've used. Some are sticklers for correct grammar even when I (a former English teacher) wouldn't be. Sometimes they want instead whatever flows best, even if it tramples on two or three different grammatical conventions in one sentence. For some Chicago Manual of Style is the last word, no matter what. For others, CMOS is by no means such a rigid guide. All of these people have publishing industry experience, yet their responses are not consistent.
Publishing houses normally have their own guidelines, which are probably based on CMOS but may deviate from it in some ways. Since we are all publishers, we can theoretically do the same thing--as long as we are consistent in the way we handle the same situation.
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When I find a clear-cut grammar rule I follow it religiously.
Here's the rule I use with "like" vs. "as if": "If the clause that comes next includes a verb, then you should use as. For example, Squiggly throws as if he were a raccoon ..." (from: https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/like-versus-as ).
My editor suggests that sometimes I should use "like" even when "as if" is called for. It's more colloquial, and I use so many similes that all the "as if"s get monotonous.
Also, I've found that many popular authors use "like" and "as if" interchangeably.
What about you?
The answer is "it depends" ... but, if you are a stage one writer then go with whichever is in use in your country.
Now to confuse you ... :-)
Once you have moved on to a Stage Two writer and above, you will first ask, "is it the point of view character's thoughts or dialogue or the writer's speech pattern"? Eliminate the writer's speech pattern, to stay in the mind of the character's point of view. Otherwise it is not the POV character. So look how you developed that other character's background. Depending on age and where he/she grew up, use that speech pattern. :-) That way, you are writing distinctive characters, and it helps to not have all your characters sound the same. :-)
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For dialog, I'd mostly use like instead of as if. In other cases, I'd stick with as if when it was the grammatically correct choice unless it sounded incredibly awkward.
I've noticed interesting variations among the editors I've used. Some are sticklers for correct grammar even when I (a former English teacher) wouldn't be. Sometimes they want instead whatever flows best, even if it tramples on two or three different grammatical conventions in one sentence. For some Chicago Manua :goodpost:l of Style is the last word, no matter what. For others, CMOS is by no means such a rigid guide. All of these people have publishing industry experience, yet their responses are not consistent.
Publishing houses normally have their own guidelines, which are probably based on CMOS but may deviate from it in some ways. Since we are all publishers, we can theoretically do the same thing--as long as we are consistent in the way we handle the same situation.
:goodpost:
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"Like, I'm going to the mall Blaire. Are you coming?"
"No way Tiffany, Brent will be there. Like, he still thinks I'm his girlfriend. AS IF!"
Now I have valley girl talk stuck in my head. I hope it does not not seep into my writing today. It would be pretty funny coming out of a hardboiled detective.
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That would be an interesting story. I would feel bad for the aliens all speaking like teen girls, but it could be worse. It could be teenage boy surfer dude take like Pauly Shore.
On a serious note I do not like using a lot of similes. I would rewrite some of them as direct comparisons.
i.e. He dream walked instead of he walked as if in a dream, or she was a dream instead of she looked like a dream.
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Left a thanks to Dave for making me laugh.
Once upon a time, I'd spend almost an entire five minutes switching between like, as if, as though. Agonising between glance and look took even longer.
Now it's the first that springs to mind because I suspect in the grand scheme of story, readers don't really care.
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By the time Clueless came out teenage girls were already using "Like!" as much as "As if!"
Moon Zappa changed our spoken language in 1982. She really did, and I hold her responsible. We've never recovered!! Grin
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I lean more toward ‘as though’ and ‘like’ in narrative. In dialogue? I tend to avoid the use of similes and/or metaphors. For me personally, as a writer and a reader, ‘as if’ (especially when overused) screams, as noted above: Clueless.