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Corporate Sector => What are Amazon doing now? [Public] => Topic started by: Marti Talbott on November 19, 2019, 05:59:38 AM
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I don't have a clue why my sales are tanking. I ran two ads, one at the end of last month and one on the 7th, which was for Beloved Ruins, book 1 in a four book series. Since then, it's almost been crickets.
Here comes that famous question again - Am I the only one?
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Here comes that famous question again - Am I the only one?
Yes. grint
I'll see myself out now.
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Here comes that famous question again - Am I the only one?
Yes. grint
I'll see myself out now.
:HB
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I can only speak for myself. Mine are holding steady with no particular change up or down. (Crossing my fingers for a BB promo in a couple of days and a new release next month)
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I can only speak for myself. Mine are holding steady with no particular change up or down. (Crossing my fingers for a BB promo in a couple of days and a new release next month)
We'll all keep our fingers crossed for you!
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Mine haven't been great this month, but mine usually aren't unless I'm running a big promo, so I'd have to say they look more or less normal to me.
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It's slower than I like, but I haven't noticed a slow down this month, sorry, conahura, knock wood.
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Guess it's just you and me, Marti!
Oct 1-19 I had 63 sales on Amazon. This month so far, only four. I have an ad coming up on Thursday, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Guess it's just you and me, Marti!
Oct 1-19 I had 63 sales on Amazon. This month so far, only four. I have an ad coming up on Thursday, but I'm not holding my breath.
I finally have one sale today and 57 page reads. This is so unusual. Of course, some of the movie streaming services started up last week, so maybe our readers are getting distracted. Hopefully, they will come back soon.
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I noticed a slowdown from around 10/26 to 11/10 despite running ads out the wazoo, but my last release on this name was on 8/30 and I normally experience slowdowns in autumn. I started to panic but I think a lot of it has to do with perspective; I had some of my best sales/KU days ever in late summer, so the downs seem more severe. I compared my sales/KU reads from the last few months to those of my all-time monthly revenue, and even though things are dipping this month I'm still on an upward trend.
I don't know if this is relevant to your situation, but hopefully it'll keep someone who reads it from freaking out. Here's to hoping this is just a crappy month that'll make the next great month seem even greater. grint
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Looking at last year, I had three times the sales in October than I had in November. December wasn't much better. But then I usually do better in the summer.
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I noticed a slowdown from around 10/26 to 11/10 despite running ads out the wazoo, but my last release on this name was on 8/30 and I normally experience slowdowns in autumn. I started to panic but I think a lot of it has to do with perspective; I had some of my best sales/KU days ever in late summer, so the downs seem more severe. I compared my sales/KU reads from the last few months to those of my all-time monthly revenue, and even though things are dipping this month I'm still on an upward trend.
I don't know if this is relevant to your situation, but hopefully it'll keep someone who reads it from freaking out. Here's to hoping this is just a crappy month that'll make the next great month seem even greater. grint
I tried to delete my original post because I thought it sounded like I was feeling sorry for myself. The board wouldn't let me, so I left it alone. I appreciate your input and hope the month will get better soon for us all. Maybe stores are having Christmas sales and I'm not aware of it. At my age, I just give cash. No one returns cash. ;0)
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Looking at last year, I had three times the sales in October than I had in November. December wasn't much better. But then I usually do better in the summer.
I agree, this time of year has been famous for lower sales (not zero sales) the last few years and I've financially prepared for it. Winter months used to be good when Amazon had new readers to sell as Christmas gifts. Readers were hungry for new books. Haven't seen that for a while. Everyone already has a reader and most read on their phones these days.
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I always have sales slip in the summer. Apparently people don't like medieval mayhem for a beach read. Then I pick back up to steady sales and peak in January, February, and March. Crossing fingers that pattern holds.
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I noticed a slowdown from around 10/26 to 11/10 despite running ads out the wazoo, but my last release on this name was on 8/30 and I normally experience slowdowns in autumn. I started to panic but I think a lot of it has to do with perspective; I had some of my best sales/KU days ever in late summer, so the downs seem more severe. I compared my sales/KU reads from the last few months to those of my all-time monthly revenue, and even though things are dipping this month I'm still on an upward trend.
I don't know if this is relevant to your situation, but hopefully it'll keep someone who reads it from freaking out. Here's to hoping this is just a crappy month that'll make the next great month seem even greater. grint
I tried to delete my original post because I thought it sounded like I was feeling sorry for myself. The board wouldn't let me, so I left it alone. I appreciate your input and hope the month will get better soon for us all. Maybe stores are having Christmas sales and I'm not aware of it. At my age, I just give cash. No one returns cash. ;0)
I had no sales all day and then finally got some. I panic pretty much hourly, every day. I'm expecting people to become increasingly too busy to read over the next month, however, they might need something while traveling.
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One of the things that I found a relief was when I stopped constantly checking my sales on an hourly (minutely?) basis.
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I finally got to that point with reviews but I'm still pretty obsessive about sales. Any advice welcome.
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One of the things that I found a relief was when I stopped constantly checking my sales on an hourly (minutely?) basis.
I tried that once and I keep trying it daily, but it's such a habit at this point I do it without even thinking. Sometimes I don't even remember what I saw.
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It took a couple of years for me to break the habit.
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It took a couple of years for me to break the habit.
Can I look yet? I'm dying here! :dog1:
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Seems like the normal holiday slow down to me. My sales are way off with a big gap of zippo starting around the 7th. Hoping to see a pick up just after the new year.
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It took a couple of years for me to break the habit.
Can I look yet? I'm dying here! :dog1:
Awww... Look if you must. grint
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It took a couple of years for me to break the habit.
Can I look yet? I'm dying here! :dog1:
Awww... Look if you must. grint
Darn, now you made me look.
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Disney+ launched just a few days ago, didn't it?
I noticed sales numbers and page reads drop on or about the 4th/5th of november, but I cut back a bit on ad spend so it could be related.
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Disney+ launched just a few days ago, didn't it?
I noticed sales numbers and page reads drop on or about the 4th/5th of november, but I cut back a bit on ad spend so it could be related.
I heard over a million signed up for the Disney thing in less than two hours. And then...someone discovered the platform wasn't safe and didn't protect the customer's information. And...some of the old Disney movies come with "trigger" warnings.
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Well, when there are 47 streaming services to choose from there's always they hope they'll start throwing cash around for movie/tv rights.
I predict most movie theatres will vanish. (Remember drive-ins? I do.)
I predict CGI actors will appear more and more. (I was playing a new-release PC game the other day, and the cutscenes were about 99.5% real.)
I predict AI that will read a script and generate backgrounds and camera shots and so on automatically, creating the movie and rendering everything. (I'm talking blockbuster action movies, not quirky character-driven films.) As this improves you can throw in the auto-generated actors, too. Then, talent will only be hired for the voices. Plus they could release a different version of the movie for different regions, using the faces of local big-name actors.
Fortunately, AI writing novels is still a way off. Reacting to input is what computers do, not free-thinking and creativity.
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Disney+ launched just a few days ago, didn't it?
I noticed sales numbers and page reads drop on or about the 4th/5th of november, but I cut back a bit on ad spend so it could be related.
I heard over a million signed up for the Disney thing in less than two hours. And then...someone discovered the platform wasn't safe and didn't protect the customer's information. And...some of the old Disney movies come with "trigger" warnings.
I wonder if they've still suppressed "Song of the South"? We saw it during the movie-house revival in the 1970s and my, oh, my, it was embarrassingly offensive.
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I don't think my sales are any worse than they usually are between mystery series releases, but then I haven't heard of Disney+ so maybe it hasn't reached the UK yet, not that I would have noticed anyway! (Have only just got used to Amazon Prime movies)
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Well, when there are 47 streaming services to choose from there's always they hope they'll start throwing cash around for movie/tv rights.
I predict most movie theatres will vanish. (Remember drive-ins? I do.)
I predict CGI actors will appear more and more. (I was playing a new-release PC game the other day, and the cutscenes were about 99.5% real.)
I predict AI that will read a script and generate backgrounds and camera shots and so on automatically, creating the movie and rendering everything. (I'm talking blockbuster action movies, not quirky character-driven films.) As this improves you can throw in the auto-generated actors, too. Then, talent will only be hired for the voices. Plus they could release a different version of the movie for different regions, using the faces of local big-name actors.
Fortunately, AI writing novels is still a way off. Reacting to input is what computers do, not free-thinking and creativity.
Wow, 47 streaming services, I did not know that.
I'm unsure of the fate of the movie theater. Here (Northeast US) in populated areas movie theaters are pretty much all renovated into a luxury version. You get a big "leather" power reclining seat and reserved seating. And they all have a bar (ca-ching!) I'm looking forward to two for one Tuesdays once the kids are out on their own. Regular tickets for matinees are just under $10, max of 12 at night. Concessions are ridiculous, $10 for a small popcorn, but my kids are used to making a microwave bag and eating it in the car on the way there. We don't spend another dime once we get there. But we are in the very small minority not getting concessions.
In more rural areas, you might have to drive an hour or more to get to an actual movie theater, I know one town in Central Vermont that shows movies in a church with folding chairs. You can still find the occasional drive in.
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Yes, our cinemas are mostly luxury versions too, apart from the Filmhouse which is more arty and also relies on a bar with food to make its money instead of popcorn. I was amazed one weekday afternoon to find older people could see a movie and get a free coffee for about 2 pounds (=a bit less than 2 dollars).
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Well, when there are 47 streaming services to choose from there's always they hope they'll start throwing cash around for movie/tv rights.
I predict most movie theatres will vanish. (Remember drive-ins? I do.)
I predict CGI actors will appear more and more. (I was playing a new-release PC game the other day, and the cutscenes were about 99.5% real.)
I predict AI that will read a script and generate backgrounds and camera shots and so on automatically, creating the movie and rendering everything. (I'm talking blockbuster action movies, not quirky character-driven films.) As this improves you can throw in the auto-generated actors, too. Then, talent will only be hired for the voices. Plus they could release a different version of the movie for different regions, using the faces of local big-name actors.
Fortunately, AI writing novels is still a way off. Reacting to input is what computers do, not free-thinking and creativity.
I think you're right. The question then is, how do we cash in? What can we do to make our work tempting to producers? Out of a million plus titles, what would make ours movie production ready?
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say movie theaters won't go away.
Drive-ins are a little different for two reasons. First, they take up a large chunk of real estate--there's no such thing as a small drive-in. Movie theaters are a little more scalable. Second, depending on the car, sitting in it for extended periods isn't always as comfortable as a good theater would be.
Theaters are convenient in some scenarios, particularly if you're working on a modest budget. I'm thinking especially of people seeing a movie together, particularly in a large group. If you've got a house with a large enough room, a wide-screen TV, and a great sound system, the experience might actually be better than in a theater. But if you're living in a small apartment with a not-exactly-state-of-the-art TV, the experience might be better in the theater, certainly for a large group. And even as expensive as tickets are these days, the occasional in-theater experience may still be cheaper than upgrading the home entertainment system.
Sometimes, it's also nice to just get out of the house. Movies are a good excuse to do that and can often be combined with dinner. (And for adolescents, it can be a good opportunity for some physical contact without either set of parents leaning over your shoulder.)
It's clear some theaters are a adapting themselves into a luxury viewing experience. There's probably also room for theaters at the other end of the spectrum. We forget that movie theaters initially catered to a broad audience, including low-income people. That's still a large group that probably doesn't have state-of-the-art equipment at home, and, with the demise of TV antennas and free broadcast programming, not everyone has a great cable package or decent streaming internet. If a theater chain could find a way to offer movie viewing more economically, there'd probably be an audience for it. During the Depression, when my parents were growing up, movie theaters changed programs three or four times a week, and a very cheap ticket included two movies and one or more shorts.
OK, so maybe I'm dreaming on that last part, but I believe the other arguments are sound.
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My sales are picking back up to normal this morning, so it must have just been some sort of delay.
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Looking back on my 2018 revenues, November was half of October. Luckily, it picked back up in December and equaled October.
So far in 2019, my November revenues are 89% of October. So my revenues are down, but not as bad as last year.
Just another data point.
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Drive-ins are a little different for two reasons. First, they take up a large chunk of real estate--there's no such thing as a small drive-in. Movie theaters are a little more scalable. Second, depending on the car, sitting in it for extended periods isn't always as comfortable as a good theater would be.
We go to the drive-in more than we do the traditional cinemas in town. Though the Canada Day fireworks in the background were a bit distracting last time we were there. I think there are three in the province; we just happen to live near one.
There was another one five minutes from our house, but it closed because it couldn't afford the cost of switching to digital projection.
Back on the original topic, sales and reads are bumbling along near the bottom as usual. I really need to get another book out.
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Then, talent will only be hired for the voices.
Nah. The AI will do that before long, too. Movie acting is a career with a very short lifespan ahead of it.
And there's already software allowing you to act in VR and generate a movie from it. Before long, movie directors will be able to just put on a headset and act each of the parts the way they wanted to see it acted, without having to convey that to the actor.
I'm not sure writing will ever go away, but much of it will probably be replaced with VR worlds full of AIs who generate stories through their interactions. Take a world like Skyrim, just throw a few AIs into it, and let the audience watch or interact.
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As far as I know, the Thunderbird Drive In Movie Theater and Swap Shop (Ft Lauderdale) is still going strong. The swap shop has thousands of vendors and even an indoor section.
How many people could you fit in the trunk of your car so they wouldn't have to pay to get in? SUVs have taken all the fun out of that.
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As far as I know, the Thunderbird Drive In Movie Theater and Swap Shop (Ft Lauderdale) is still going strong. The swap shop has thousands of vendors and even an indoor section.
How many people could you fit in the trunk of your car so they wouldn't have to pay to get in? SUVs have taken all the fun out of that.
How fun those used to be. I fell in love as a teen at least four times in a drive in.
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As far as I know, the Thunderbird Drive In Movie Theater and Swap Shop (Ft Lauderdale) is still going strong. The swap shop has thousands of vendors and even an indoor section.
How many people could you fit in the trunk of your car so they wouldn't have to pay to get in? SUVs have taken all the fun out of that.
How fun those used to be. I fell in love as a teen at least four times in a drive in.
:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
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Movie acting is a career with a very short lifespan ahead of it.
On the upside, we'll no longer have room temperature IQ Hollyweird celebrities lecturing us on matters they can't even begin to understand. I hear Starbucks is hiring... :dance:
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Fortunately, AI writing novels is still a way off. Reacting to input is what computers do, not free-thinking and creativity.
Dangit! I can hardly wait for AI-assisted novel writing to hit the market. Then I'll be able to publish a new novel every week! :banana:
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Fortunately, AI writing novels is still a way off. Reacting to input is what computers do, not free-thinking and creativity.
Dangit! I can hardly wait for AI-assisted novel writing to hit the market. Then I'll be able to publish a new novel every week! :banana:
If we wrote a screenplay instead of a plot outline and then fed that into an AI and asked it to fill in the gaps, I'm sure that would work (soon). I don't know how cohesive the finished novel would be, but imagine a non-stop flood of AI-written novelisations of TV shows and movies. Stick a still from the show on the cover, and streaming services have a new income stream.
Sorry, I seem to have derailed the topic!
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I predict most movie theatres will vanish.
Well that prediction looks like coming to pass even sooner than I expected ...
Justice Department To Abolish Movie Distribution Rules Dating To 1949 (https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/19/11/20/0011223/justice-department-to-abolish-movie-distribution-rules-dating-to-1949)
The National Association of Theater Owners said that abolishing the consent decrees could result in a return to block booking, which many smaller theater owners could not survive.
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We go to the drive-in more than we do the traditional cinemas in town. Though the Canada Day fireworks in the background were a bit distracting last time we were there. I think there are three in the province; we just happen to live near one.
we have one drive-in here in Vegas, but last time I was there would probably be measured in decades. It's been at least 25 to 30 years since I went there. I think we're talking Howard The Duck being the last movie I remember seeing there.
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I predict most movie theatres will vanish.
Well that prediction looks like coming to pass even sooner than I expected ...
Justice Department To Abolish Movie Distribution Rules Dating To 1949 (https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/19/11/20/0011223/justice-department-to-abolish-movie-distribution-rules-dating-to-1949)
The National Association of Theater Owners said that abolishing the consent decrees could result in a return to block booking, which many smaller theater owners could not survive.
We don't have a lot of smaller movie theaters around here anymore, but I'm sure in some places there are some. There is a new family owned chain with I think three facilities, but the facilities themselves are huge, and they have all sorts of events. Mondays they bring in local chefs for a sampler dinner and you get dinner and the show. Maybe owners could book together as a group? My mom lives in an independent senior housing complex with 700 units. They get first run movies, a couple a week, one show only. I wonder if it would affect them. The company that owns them owns multiple facilities though. I can't imagine what would happen if they can't get movies anymore. These people riot if the color of the jello for dessert changes.
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We go to the drive-in more than we do the traditional cinemas in town. Though the Canada Day fireworks in the background were a bit distracting last time we were there. I think there are three in the province; we just happen to live near one.
we have one drive-in here in Vegas, but last time I was there would probably be measured in decades. It's been at least 25 to 30 years since I went there. I think we're talking Howard The Duck being the last movie I remember seeing there.
My last drive-in was the original Star Wars movie.
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Back to the thread topic... On or about the 20th of each month when the KDP payment notifications go out, sales and KENP seem to nosedive for two or three days. Both are abnormally low for me this time of day, so I'd say it's begun.
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I appreciate these reminders of the things that might be impacting sales reporting. Helps keep me, well, not exactly sane, but slightly less insane maybe.
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Two sales today. The interesting thing is that I haven't sold a copy of either book in over a year.
I'm running an AMS for one of them but I was experimenting with auto targeting and no text. I had one click on November 3 and nothing since then. Maybe I had a click today or yesterday and it hasn't shown up yet. The sale certainly hasn't shown up.
Dare I hope for sell-thru on the next three books?
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Dare away.
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Could it be the impeachment hearings? Just throwing it out there. I don't know if politics has any bearing on book-buying/KU reads. My reads have been stuck at 318 since the beginning of the month.
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People could be in front of the TV instead of reading.
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Could it be the impeachment hearings?
I'm sure it's not helping, along with:
1) Thanksgiving preparations, travel...
2) Black Friday strategizing...
3) Christmas planning...
4) Heavy drinking to deal with it all...
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I haven't gotten any of the Amazon notifications yet today. Even that seems to be behind.
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My Bookbub promo seems to be doing okay. *wipes brow* #14 in Free store & at the top of several subcategories.
My sales are never great in the late autumn / early winter though generally not terrible either. So far, that's holding true. But the KDP notifications seem to be slow this month. I've only had one.
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I had a burst of Apple sales yesterday, so it looks like they were truly behind and are trying to catch up. It reminded me of a theory some of us had long ago - that Apple and Amazon actually used the same servers, and when it got too busy, it caused a delay for both. Today so far I have "0" paid sales for the second time in three days. I have not seen that in ten years.
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Could it be the impeachment hearings? Just throwing it out there. I don't know if politics has any bearing on book-buying/KU reads. My reads have been stuck at 318 since the beginning of the month.
Not likely. (https://thehill.com/homenews/media/470915-day-2-impeachment-ratings-drop-by-more-than-1-million-from-first-day)
One statistic I heard said that something like one out of five registered independents didn't even know that the impeachment hearings were happening.
1) Thanksgiving preparations, travel...
2) Black Friday strategizing...
3) Christmas planning...
4) Heavy drinking to deal with it all...
Bingo.
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That list is pretty typical, in my opinion, of why sales generally aren't great this time of the year. For indies, we are also approaching when a lot of major trade novels will be released which is usually to some degree a hit. I don't expect sales to go up until after Christmas. I just work to hold steady until then.
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My royalty notifications have now started dribbling in. Sales and KENP are running about 40% of normal, AMS impressions, clicks, and charges about 25% of normal. This is fairly typical around the 20th of each month.
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My royalty notifications have now started dribbling in. Sales and KENP are running about 40% of normal, AMS impressions, clicks, and charges about 25% of normal. This is fairly typical around the 20th of each month.
I'm still not receiving any, but I always assumed it was done alphabetically and my last name starts with "T".
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Could it be the impeachment hearings?
Ha! I just learned today that impeachment hearings are in effect.
I love being totally unplugged from politics. Ignorance truly is bliss when it comes to that claptrap.
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Back to the thread topic... On or about the 20th of each month when the KDP payment notifications go out, sales and KENP seem to nosedive for two or three days. Both are abnormally low for me this time of day, so I'd say it's begun.
I posted elsewhere on the forums that the 15th for me is like the Ides of Every Month. My sales are usually around half the average on that day.
Now that I'm in KU, I was not surprised to see my page reads also took a hit on the 15th.
Is it just me, or was the 15th once significant on KDP in terms of payment dates? I seem to recall that it was the cutoff for accruing royalties, which were then paid at the end of the following month.
Now it's the end of the month and 2 months later, so the 15th shouldn't be relevant any more.
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Is it just me, or was the 15th once significant on KDP in terms of payment dates?
On the fifteenth Zon announces the prior month's KENP rate. The date also seems to coincide with a slow-down in stats reporting (less severe than when the royalty notifications go out on the twentieth--like today).
Then again, many report zero disruption on either date.
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Sales - and page reads - which have been great all month following a new release on the 2nd, suddenly tanked yesterday and today. I usually do best at weekends.
I don't expect it to improve and I'm blaming Black Friday - whilst not looking forward to Cyber Monday.
Roll on January. :haironfire :haironfire
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Two paperbacks shipped today. Problem - they are in the middle of a 10 book series, most of which shipped previously with book 1-3 still showing no paperback sales. Sure, it's possible a reader ordered them out of sequence, but I think it's more likely the reports are behind. How far behind is anyone's guess.
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I ran a Fussy Librarian on Thursday which usually does very well for me. Freebies: 190; Book 2: 3; Book 3: 2. Not so hot. Not even the freeloads.
I'm really glad November is almost over.
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Sales - and page reads - which have been great all month following a new release on the 2nd, suddenly tanked yesterday and today.
Mine took a hit on the 20th (KDP payment notification day), which isn't abnormal, but have yet to recover fully, which is. Inadvertently, I've been experimenting with "how long can I go between releases and still make a living?" I think I now have my answer--eight months, as November will probably fall below the threshold.
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Without a new release my sales would be almost dead this month (for my Amazon-only titles) so I don't know... again, the age of my titles has to make some impact on my sales now, but I do feel like this November is poorer for me than the past 3.
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Sales actually picked up for me after I posted - ah! The power of the Writer's Sanctum. Grin
Maybe Black Friday caused a lag in sales reporting and Amazon getting the money in. Who knows? :shrug
Reporting is always a tad haphazard for me, because I'm in the UK. I seem to be caught between Australia, where I sell quite well, and America, where sales have picked up tremendously since the launch of that new series. I'm always up early, around 4-5am when it's still the previous day in the States, yet I may already have sales for that day in Oz or the UK. It's all a little confusing for my aging brain.
Hope everyone else's sales start to pick up soon.
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It's worse in Western Australia, because I'm still getting US figures from the previous day until 3 in the afternoon. UK figures start coming in after 7am.
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Sales actually picked up for me after I posted - ah! The power of the Writer's Sanctum. Grin
It's all about the vibes. :Healing:
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Sales actually picked up for me after I posted - ah! The power of the Writer's Sanctum. Grin
It's all about the vibes. :Healing:
:hehe
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Maybe Black Friday caused a lag in sales reporting and Amazon getting the money in. Who knows? :shrug
American Thanksgiving is this coming Thursday, which means Black Friday is this week.
It's so late this year because there's a fifth Thursday this month. Thanksgiving is always the last Thursday of November. Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, and Cyber Monday is the Monday of the following week.
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Thanks for putting me right, Joe. I'll have to look elsewhere for the reason behind the slowdown.
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Thanksgiving is always the last Thursday of November. Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, and Cyber Monday is the Monday of the following week.
By law, it's the fourth Thursday of November. That means it's not the last Thursday some years. (if the 29th or 30th falls on Thursday, it's on 22 or 23). It can be Nov 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 or 28 and on no other date.
It's not as complicated as "the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox in the Northern Hemisphere," as variable holiday counting goes, so I guess there's that consolation.
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Google says:
In 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt changed Thanksgiving from the fourth to the third Thursday in November!
(Who you gonna believe? I've always believed it was the 3rd Thursday. They're just messing with us again.)
But...Google also says:
Thanksgiving had been celebrated on the last Thursday of the month since the time of Abraham Lincoln. ... As 1941 ended, Roosevelt made the final permanent change, as he signed a bill making Thanksgiving Day fall on the fourth Thursday of November, regardless of if it is the last Thursday of the month or not.
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I haven't "celebrated" Thanksgiving in years, maybe twenty. It's a crap meal, plus, you know, it sort of sticks it to Native Americans. Most people I know use the days off for quick getaways.
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I haven't "celebrated" Thanksgiving in years, maybe twenty. It's a crap meal, plus, you know, it sort of sticks it to Native Americans. Most people I know use the days off for quick getaways.
On a lighter note, the Native Americans introduced us to smoking which has killed thousands.
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Thanksgiving is always the last Thursday of November. Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, and Cyber Monday is the Monday of the following week.
By law, it's the fourth Thursday of November. That means it's not the last Thursday some years. (if the 29th or 30th falls on Thursday, it's on 22 or 23). It can be Nov 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 or 28 and on no other date.
It's not as complicated as "the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox in the Northern Hemisphere," as variable holiday counting goes, so I guess there's that consolation.
Good grief! Somebody else that remembers that. One day, my grandson wanted to know when Easter was, and without even looking up from my book, I said, "the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox." He looked at me like I was nuts. "Uh, I just wanted to know what day it was."
I never learned "in the Northern Hemisphere," I don't think.
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Thanksgiving is always the last Thursday of November. Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, and Cyber Monday is the Monday of the following week.
By law, it's the fourth Thursday of November. That means it's not the last Thursday some years. (if the 29th or 30th falls on Thursday, it's on 22 or 23). It can be Nov 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 or 28 and on no other date.
It's not as complicated as "the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox in the Northern Hemisphere," as variable holiday counting goes, so I guess there's that consolation.
Ah, yes. Thanks for the correction. If I'd bothered to look at a calendar, I would have noticed that. :doh:
Shoe, I am truly thankful this Thanksgiving that I am not you.
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Just so you folks in the US know... Real Thanksgiving is on the second Monday of October. So there. :smilie_zauber:
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Our meal will be better this year. Staying home. No side dish of drama and dessert of someone's mental breakdown. Chance of having to bail someone out of county on Thanksgiving day virtually zero. Ah, the holidays.
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Just so you folks in the US know... Real Thanksgiving is on the second Monday of October. So there. :smilie_zauber:
Yeah, but your first frost is in the middle of summer, so you have to start early. :icon_mrgreen:
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Our meal will be better this year. Staying home. No side dish of drama and dessert of someone's mental breakdown. Chance of having to bail someone out of county on Thanksgiving day virtually zero. Ah, the holidays.
It's funny how that goes. My oldest daughter always puts on a big show, prepares for days, and something always goes wrong. She cries for two days after. My youngest daughter and a few of her friends take their kids to a cabin in Tahoe and play board games, ski, eat pizza, drink wine and they all have a ball. Only the oldest daughter invites me to join her family. I'm running out of excuses.
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Gout?
People generally don't want to hear more about gout.
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Gout?
People generally don't want to hear more about gout.
Gout? Is that as in G(et) Out? Grin
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No gout is a real medical thing. You guys probably have a different name for it in the UK.
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No gout is a real medical thing. You guys probably have a different name for it in the UK.
No, it's called the same thing here, and it's a really painful condition, so I hear. Especially if you are given to drinking copious quantities of port.
I just wondered if your mention of it was in response to Shoe looking for excuses - and an excuse might also be a get out.
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Oh okay. I thought after I posted that maybe it was a joke. Should not post before coffee. (That's what we drink here instead of tea, though I love me a pot of Earl Grey. Probably only American's like Earl Grey? :)
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I just wondered if your mention of it was in response to Shoe looking for excuses - and an excuse might also be a get out.
I mentioned gout as a possibility for me in the thread on dealing with pain (gout comes up when Googling "roaming pain" along with arthritis, diabetes, liver problems, and heart conditions). I'm not sure how "gout" landed in this thread.
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I never learned "in the Northern Hemisphere," I don't think.
Neither did I, but I didn't want to offend our Australian friends. There, it's the Autumnal Equinox.
I think it's good to celebrate all nations' thanksgivings. This gives me more mashed potatoes.
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I never learned "in the Northern Hemisphere," I don't think.
Neither did I, but I didn't want to offend our Australian friends. There, it's the Autumnal Equinox.
I think it's good to celebrate all nations' thanksgivings. This gives me more mashed potatoes.
I'm with you on that!
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I have only two prior Thanksgiving holidays to go by, but my experience so far is, Wed-Thur-Fri aren't great for sales/KENP, though that doesn't stop people from clicking away on AMS ads--so I'm pulling mine until Sat, which in the past two years came back strong.
November net overall will probably come in 19% down from October's, which was about the same percentage drop as last year. I haven't had a release since March of this year.
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What age groups physically shop over the holiday? If they are older like me, they avoid it like the plague, giving cash instead. Parents with kids shop but probably don't have a lot of time to read. Teens? Probably not. College kids out for break are seeing friends, etc. So that pretty much leaves the over fifty crowd? Course, they got all the money, right?
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So that pretty much leaves the over fifty crowd?
They're usually the ones putting on the show tomorrow and therefore occupied with last-minute store runs, fetching boxes from the garage, house-cleaning, preparing their dinner table arguments, sneaking drinks from the cupboard...
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Surprisingly, I'm having the best month ever, I've made beer and Massandrah cost for three months, but then, I don't drink that much. That being said, VCO will tell you otherwise. Once I got off my dead nether regions and put all four tomes on Zon, sales have done rather well. However, I can tell you each and every day I make some pithy comment on two blogs I frequent and sometimes write for. We'll see how December goes, I've got two articles to get done and posted and while both are, ...ummm..., 'interesting', one should put the fox amongst the chickens until the readers check the appropriate events sources.
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So that pretty much leaves the over fifty crowd?
They're usually the ones putting on the show tomorrow and therefore occupied with last-minute store runs, fetching boxes from the garage, house-cleaning, preparing their dinner table arguments, sneaking drinks from the cupboard...
Yes, but once you reach septuagenarian level, you can just sit back and let everyone serve you. You don't have to sneak the drinks anymore, either.
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So that pretty much leaves the over fifty crowd?
They're usually the ones putting on the show tomorrow and therefore occupied with last-minute store runs, fetching boxes from the garage, house-cleaning, preparing their dinner table arguments, sneaking drinks from the cupboard...
Yes, but once you reach septuagenarian level, you can just sit back and let everyone serve you. You don't have to sneak the drinks anymore, either.
I hear that. I haven't cooked a turkey in years.
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So that pretty much leaves the over fifty crowd?
They're usually the ones putting on the show tomorrow and therefore occupied with last-minute store runs, fetching boxes from the garage, house-cleaning, preparing their dinner table arguments, sneaking drinks from the cupboard...
Yes, but once you reach septuagenarian level, you can just sit back and let everyone serve you. You don't have to sneak the drinks anymore, either.
I hear that. I haven't cooked a turkey in years.
:tup3b
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After suggesting it would be otherwise, my sales and KENP have been strong during this holiday.
I saw a headline earlier mentioning brick and mortar retail is having a poor season (20% down). Maybe more people this year are home shopping online.
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After suggesting it would be otherwise, my sales and KENP have been strong during this holiday.
I saw a headline earlier mentioning brick and mortar retail is having a poor season (20% down). Maybe more people this year are home shopping online.
Mine are starting to pick up again finally. Maybe the bots don't hate me personally after all. grint
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Well, I finally bit the bullet and signed up for Mark Dawson's Ads For Authors course. By the end of this year (next month) I shall have made around $350 for the entire year, which was more than the year before, which was more than the year before that. I told Honey Bunny I intend to tack two more digits on that number up there (and no, it won't be $350.00).
So, here's to planning to get through the course and have a bangin' 2020.
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Well, I finally bit the bullet and signed up for Mark Dawson's Ads For Authors course. By the end of this year (next month) I shall have made around $350 for the entire year, which was more than the year before, which was more than the year before that. I told Honey Bunny I intend to tack two more digits on that number up there (and no, it won't be $350.00).
So, here's to planning to get through the course and have a bangin' 2020.
Let us know if you find any pearls of wisdom that you don't already know. Best of luck to us all in 2020!
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After suggesting it would be otherwise, my sales and KENP have been strong during this holiday.
I saw a headline earlier mentioning brick and mortar retail is having a poor season (20% down). Maybe more people this year are home shopping online.
Wednesday through Saturday my ad spend lost me money versus sales on those books. I debated turning them off prior to the holiday, but decided not too. Higher than usual downloads on my permafrees, which I haven't advertised since May (by advertising I mean Freebooksy type newsletters, not AMS). Maybe people were willing to take a chance on a free book while traveling.