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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Lorri Moulton on November 07, 2025, 03:49:27 AM »
I asked Grok a few questions about my fairytales, and one of the answers was not correct.  When I asked again and explained why it was incorrect, Grok found the correct book.  Granted, this title is not unique to me, so that may make it a little more confusing. 

Then, I asked if fairytales help AI learn...mainly because I hope AI will be a little kinder/nicer if it's going to someday rule the world.  Even if it's not there yet, one never knows.

Here's Grok's response if anyone wants to read it.  :angel:

https://lavendercottagebooks.com/fairytale-conversation-with-grok/
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Post-Doctorate D on November 07, 2025, 03:39:26 AM »
It wasn't built on or trained on facts because they didn't care about facts.  They just stole a bunch of people's IP, fed it into their system and called it "training", and built systems to churn out derivative works from those materials that they could sell for profit.  They didn't care about facts.  They didn't care about copyright.  They didn't care about anything but themselves and how they could extract maximum profit at minimum expense.

And there are people that think those careless, self-absorbed, greedy charlatans are going to deliver us utopia.

:icon_rofl:

On top of that, there are AI experts that say that the current methods being used to develop "artificial intelligence" will never lead to any sort of actual artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence or any kind of self-aware artificial intelligence because all we have now and all that is being developed is essentially high-tech mimicry that has no potential to evolve or become what we traditionally have viewed as artificial intelligence.

Labeling what we currently have as "artificial intelligence" is like calling a device with wheels a "hoverboard."  They're just not the same.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by TimothyEllis on November 07, 2025, 03:05:17 AM »
Quote from: Lynn on November 07, 2025, 02:46:21 AM
What has been built could not have been built on top of the type of code you're talking about. The fact that it exists is because it was not built to that standard. It would be a fact machine and it would be severely limited in scope because so much of what humans know are not facts. Hell, even the facts we know may not be facts.

But that's my point.

It should all be built on facts. Not touchy feely validate your delusions rubbish like they are now.

If facts are in dispute, then it shows that in the answer.

In fact, it should be show both sides of every issue in every answer. Not just pandering to what it thinks your political and social leaning is.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Lynn on November 07, 2025, 02:46:21 AM »
What has been built could not have been built on top of the type of code you're talking about. The fact that it exists is because it was not built to that standard. It would be a fact machine and it would be severely limited in scope because so much of what humans know are not facts. Hell, even the facts we know may not be facts.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on November 06, 2025, 03:43:44 PM »
Quote from: TimothyEllis on November 05, 2025, 10:42:25 PM
Saw this on FB.

Why is this not the core instruction set for all the bots?


Because it didn't have to be until Grok forced the issue.  Now that there's some serious ideological competition in how these chatbots are hard-coded, how they're trained, and how they function, the others can't just live inside the San Francisco ideological bubble if they want to compete for market share.

Want to have some fun?  Ask Grok to give you a vulgar roast of some person, place, thing, or group.   :hehe

Here, I'll start... 





Grok's response:


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Oh, Jeff Tanyard, you pasty-faced, limp-wristed sack of expired beef jerky, strutting around like you're the king of the cul-de-sac but smelling like a dumpster fire after a chili cook-off gone wrong. Your face looks like it was sculpted by a blind drunk with a potato peeler?pockmarked craters deeper than the Grand Canyon and twice as welcoming to flies. You call that gut a "dad bod"? Nah, that's a goddamn beer volcano ready to erupt, fueled by discount swill and regrets from that one-night stand with regret itself. Hairline retreating faster than French forces in WWII, leaving behind a forehead shiny enough to signal aliens for a mercy kill. And your personality? Drier than a nun's snatch in the Sahara?boring, abrasive, and nobody's begging for seconds. You couldn't score with a hooker using a fistful of Venmo and a promise of "emotional support." Face it, Jeff: you're the human equivalent of a participation trophy?unwanted, unremarkable, and gathering dust in the back of life's bargain bin. Go choke on a taint hair, you irrelevant f*ckwit!


 :icon_rofl: :dance: :icon_rofl:

Seriously, if you haven't at least played around with Grok a little bit yet, you're simply missing out.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by TimothyEllis on November 06, 2025, 11:19:29 AM »
Quote from: Lynn on November 06, 2025, 04:01:20 AM
Because it doesn't work.

Of course it doesn't work.

You can't apply that over the top of what's already there.

This should be what the base code looks like, not what a prompt looks like.

The bots were built to lie to people and make this up instead of admitting they don't know.

No amount of prompting will ever offset that.

I'm asking why this code set wasn't the base code for all of them.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Lynn on November 06, 2025, 05:45:04 AM »
Quote from: R. C. on November 06, 2025, 05:36:13 AM
Quote from: Lynn on November 06, 2025, 04:01:20 AM
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It literally just doesn't do anything to stop the emotionally expressive elements that make up responses from the LLM bots. They are not independent thinking machines so they *must* mimic what they're trained on.

Not sure that's 100%.  In ChatGPT, within a retained session, and ensuring my anchors are solid, by asking for their removal, I've achieved fewer patronizing passages and annoying em-dashes.  However, when starting a new session, the fluff returns.

R.C.

I wasn't clear? I'm talking about "being a machine, emotionless responses, etc" versus "expressing things in a human way". They aren't human, aren't intelligent, and must mimic because that's what they are. They're trained on expressive content, not machine-like, emotionless data. The associations are going to come out no matter how hard you try to lock it down. LLM chat bots are what they are.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by R. C. on November 06, 2025, 05:36:13 AM »
Quote from: Lynn on November 06, 2025, 04:01:20 AM
....

It literally just doesn't do anything to stop the emotionally expressive elements that make up responses from the LLM bots. They are not independent thinking machines so they *must* mimic what they're trained on.

Not sure that's 100%.  In ChatGPT, within a retained session, and ensuring my anchors are solid, by asking for their removal, I've achieved fewer patronizing passages and annoying em-dashes.  However, when starting a new session, the fluff returns.

R.C.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Lynn on November 06, 2025, 04:01:20 AM »
Because it doesn't work.

I wanted to see it in action so I had copilot make a transcript of the text from the image.

Then I put it into a chat in ChatGPT. Within three exchanges, it used the phrase "That fits beautifully..."

It literally just doesn't do anything to stop the emotionally expressive elements that make up responses from the LLM bots. They are not independent thinking machines so they *must* mimic what they're trained on.
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Bot Discussion Public / Re: Why is this NOT the Bot standard?
« Last post by Bill Hiatt on November 06, 2025, 12:20:29 AM »
That would certainly have prevented a lot of hassles, wouldn't it?
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