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What made you think about Dabble? Since I never heard of it, I went looking and couldn't find much except their own website, where I couldn't find screenshots or get much of a feel for it. I'm not curious enough to download their trial.

I came to Scrivener after people posted screenshots of Scriv with their work at that other place. It may even have been long enough ago it was still Kindle Boards. Looking at those, I could see how much easier revisions I'd just struggled through would be and other advantages so tried it. Am still using it but my work isn't anything like as complicated as the project you're talking about.

Anyway (you can tell I'm procrastinating instead of doing what I should, can't you?) I then searched for reviews of writing software and was surprised at how many such programs there are. Found this,

https://www.toptenreviews.com/best-creative-writing-software

which made me curious enough to go to the full review of WriteItNow,

https://www.toptenreviews.com/creative-writing-software-writeitnow-review

Lots of screenshots there and on the WriteItNow site. Some interesting stuff. It looks like it's a flat $60 price. If I weren't happy with Scriv (which I use in only the most basic ways), I'd investigate further, although the graphic charts, mind maps, whatever are lost on me. I'm not a visual person and little boxes with lines running all over do nothing for me.
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I've not used Dabble, bit it seems to have little in common with Scrivener apart from the cards.
Much less complex (fewer features), much more expensive, online not local.
But having the visual side work the way you want is critical for productivity. Best if you can be clear what works and what doesn't work for you.

Gingko has an interesting use of cards too. Easy to use once you have adjusted to it.  There's a desktop program as well as the online app, but available on different websites. So one local, one online but can be synchronised. Probably not what I'd use for complex plotting, but everything is very personal and I'm sure many writers do.

There's also WriteitNow. Again uses cards. Slightly more rigid/structured and oriented to new users or inexperienced writers. Simpler than Scrivener; I have noticed some comments from writers who started with this program and moved to Scrivener after writing a few books because they were looking for some particular advanced features.

The old Writers Cafe program had a similar take on the card system, but Anthemion Software have withdrawn it from sale now after a short period of being free. Hadn't been updated in ages but still works if you can find a code.
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Freemind?

You can create a huge mindmap, fold bits up, add nodes at will and it costs nothing.

I downloaded Freemind and played around with it. Great visualization, but not for writing. Also, I found creating a wiki worked better for the world stuff. I now love my wiki, which I made using Google Sites of all things. So lovely, so full of words...

Back on topic, I like structure for writing. Scrivener has that busy old corkboard, but I'm looking beyond that. Dabble looked nice, but having not used it, I'm hoping there are opinions.
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Freemind?

You can create a huge mindmap, fold bits up, add nodes at will and it costs nothing.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Stats for latest Freebooksy promo
« Last post by Maggie Ann on October 17, 2019, 03:12:27 AM »
Looks like it's all gravy from here. Congrats on the good results. Please do continue reporting. I like to hear success stories.
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It's almost nanowrimo time, and of course, winners will get yummy discounts on programs and such. I bought Scrivener a long time ago, didn't like it much since I'm a pantser, and never transferred it to my new computer.

Times have changed.

I've got a new world in the mixer and it's a huge one. I can't pants this. I've created a huge wiki already, but as I write, I'd like to be able to leverage visual and organizational cuing to help keep things tidy. Stuff like indexing out the major plot points, relationships, who's on top, villains, etc. I'd like it to work for many books in that world as well, so I can be sure I'm on the right track writing by plotting out what has to happen in each book for every single thing first. To clarify: I'm beyond the world building and moving on to the actual writing part.

I'd considered Scrivener again, but there's something called Dabble now too. It's subscription and even with the discount would be twice as much as Scrivener for the first year. Then more every year after rather than a one time buy. It looks pretty powerful, but I thought that about scrivener back in the day as well.

Anyone have any thoughts on how they use either program, specific benefits they might want to note? Down sides? Things they don't have but should? Other programs? Any input would be much appreciated.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Stats for latest Freebooksy promo
« Last post by Marti Talbott on October 17, 2019, 02:59:04 AM »
I would like to hear how it goes, finally, and surely you would like to report your success story, if that's how it turns out.
One thing, well several things, puzzle me about marketing.
Let's say that I'm an average book buyer, and I'm looking for an historical novel, like yours.
I visit Amazon UK (in my case,) but .com will suffice.
How can I find your novel, and thereby help you to justify your advertising costs?
This applies to any novel, of course, not just your's.
I haven't done any marketing yet, so am a complete newbie.


 

If you know my name, then you would probably find all my books by searching for that. As far as a genre search, you would probably find the first one under "free historical romance." Of course, that depends on how high that specific book ranks on that specific day. The more specific your search terms, the closer you would get to finding what you're looking for. For example, if you entered "horror" you'd get all the best sellers followed by hundreds more. But if you narrowed it to "supernatural horror," then your list of possibles would be closer to what you're looking for. Hope this helps.

As an author, then the keywords need to be the search terms you think readers would use to find your book.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Stats for latest Freebooksy promo
« Last post by Paul Gr on October 17, 2019, 02:47:47 AM »
I would like to hear how it goes, finally, and surely you would like to report your success story, if that's how it turns out.
One thing, well several things, puzzle me about marketing.
Let's say that I'm an average book buyer, and I'm looking for an historical novel, like yours.
I visit Amazon UK (in my case,) but .com will suffice.
How can I find your novel, and thereby help you to justify your advertising costs?
This applies to any novel, of course, not just your's.
I haven't done any marketing yet, so am a complete newbie.


 

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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Stats for latest Freebooksy promo
« Last post by Marti Talbott on October 17, 2019, 02:12:37 AM »
Well congratulations on the success of the promo.

What do you mean by the reports are awful at Kobo?  When I run a promo I just use the Kobo dashboard to see what's selling.  Kobo seems to report in real time (ish) or at least better than D2D, who I'm convinced only updates the reports once a day.  If you need any help navigating the Kobo dashboard I can try to help.

I can't prove the Kobo reports on the dashboard are not accurate. My problem is, they asked me to take the book number off the titles so they could index the series together somehow. So now, all ten of them except the omnibus simply says "Marblestone Mansion on the report. Even if I use the search feature, all ten come up and there is no distinction between them. Frankly, I don't spend a lot of time trying to figure it out.
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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Stats for latest Freebooksy promo
« Last post by notthatamanda on October 17, 2019, 02:03:57 AM »
Well congratulations on the success of the promo.

What do you mean by the reports are awful at Kobo?  When I run a promo I just use the Kobo dashboard to see what's selling.  Kobo seems to report in real time (ish) or at least better than D2D, who I'm convinced only updates the reports once a day.  If you need any help navigating the Kobo dashboard I can try to help.
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