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The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« on: September 28, 2021, 07:24:58 AM »
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Bad enough that it's another reboot but add The CW to that and, oy, I cannot help but wonder how much of a disaster this is going to be.
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Eric Thomson

Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2021, 08:40:49 AM »
Considering the Hollywood hellmouth turns reboots into brain-damaged pap, we'll probably get Wokeylon 57.
 
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2021, 02:53:43 PM »
Upon seeing this thread title, I was immediately horrified.  So I went a-googling for more info:

https://www.space.com/babylon-5-reboot-in-development

This caught my eye:

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Creator of the original show J. Michael Straczynski will write the project and act as executive producer under his Studio JMS banner.


Confirmation from JMS's twitter:





Not just producing, but writing.  Color me optimistic. 
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2021, 03:41:21 PM »
I'm actually skeptical. A show like this isn't just made by the writer/producer. It's also the actors and the channel and I just don't think they can recapture the magic of the original series. I wonder why they don't have JMS make something new and original?
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2021, 05:02:06 PM »
After giving it some more thought, here's a short little wish list of things I'd like to see from the reboot.

1.)  Keep the skeleton of the story the same.  Don't get crazy. 

2.)  Stick to the established races; they can't be significantly improved upon, and no additional ones are necessary.  If there's a need to "explore" more alien culture, then do it with the established minor races like the Pak'ma'ra or something.

3.)  Film in 8k and 16:9.  Should go without saying.

4.)  Keep the tone of the show epic and Shakespearean.  Don't dumb it down or adolescent-ize it for the lowest common denominator.

5.)  Don't go overboard with the cgi.  This will be a big temptation due to the vast improvements in the technology since the '90s, so it's important to keep that temptation in check.  Give us just enough.

6.)  Stretch out season four and pare down season five.

7.)  Change the conclusion of the Shadow War to something less anticlimactic.  Seriously; it was a big disappointment for me.

8.)  Have Garibaldi redeem himself in a more conclusive way.  I don't want him to just "survive and advance."  I want him to triumph over his challenges.

9.)  Ditch the whole Byron sub-plot.

10.)  Figure out how to merge Talia and Lyta into a single character.


Did I forget anything?  Help me out, folks.   :ices_angel_g:


I'm actually skeptical. A show like this isn't just made by the writer/producer. It's also the actors and the channel and I just don't think they can recapture the magic of the original series. I wonder why they don't have JMS make something new and original?


It's a valid concern.  Katsulas and Jurasik were a big part of what made that show what it was.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2021, 05:02:47 PM »
On the one hand, I've thought it would be interesting to see the story told as it was originally envisioned.  That is, to see it with Commander Sinclair from start to finish.  We know the story changed due to the actor's health issues, so Sheridan was added in.  And then "the One" became three: the one who was, the one who is and the one who will be.  From what I remember, B5 would have been destroyed and then they would steal B4 to replace it, which was why Zathras said the station was needed for a future war.  But when things changed, then Sinclair took B4 into the past instead.  Originally, Sinclair would have been a reincarnation of Valen, not a time traveler who became him.  So, it would have been interesting to see the story play out the way it was originally intended.

But, if what I've seen about the reboot is true, they are going with Sheridan from the get-go, so we're not even getting that.

Plus, it's hard to imagine anyone besides Andreas Katsulas playing G'Kar and delivering the speeches and lines he did.  Same goes for Delenn, Londo, Vir, etc.  It's hard to imagine anyone else in those roles.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2021, 05:11:29 PM »
6.)  Stretch out season four and pare down season five.

The original season four was seasons four and five condensed because there was a good chance there wasn't going to be a season five.  But then there was.


7.)  Change the conclusion of the Shadow War to something less anticlimactic.  Seriously; it was a big disappointment for me.

I think that actually made sense.  JMS said the story was about "killing your parents."  Not literally, of course, but more along the lines of outgrowing the need to be parented.  So, it made sense that the end of the Shadow War would be less like a traditional war and more like sending them to a retirement home.


8.)  Have Garibaldi redeem himself in a more conclusive way.  I don't want him to just "survive and advance."  I want him to triumph over his challenges.

I think the original plan was that Garibaldi would be killed when B5 was destroyed by the Shadows, as shown in the B-Squared episode.


10.)  Figure out how to merge Talia and Lyta into a single character.

I think they originally were and split because of casting issues.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2021, 08:32:38 PM »
Did I forget anything?

Remove the Linear trying to kill Sheridan thing, and then running away.

The reality was, Sheridan had only 20 years, so all he had to do was wait for him to pass, then wait out the mourning period, and then be there when Delenn finally saw him.

The whole betrayal thing was so out of character, and so badly done.

The other thing was when they left B5 for the last time, with the 'new generation' taking over B5 shot, there was no Minbari ambassador there, and it should have been Linear.

The whole Minbari succession was botched because of the betrayal which didn't have to happen.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2021, 12:40:55 AM »
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2021, 04:41:04 AM »
Considering what the CW did to charmed, Iím wary. I trust JMS to do a good job once more, and who knows, the network limitations that stopped him from completing his vision his way the first time around are all but gone now, but it should be on hbo max with a decent budget.
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Jeff Tanyard

Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2021, 02:31:33 PM »
Did I forget anything?

Remove the Linear trying to kill Sheridan thing, and then running away.

The reality was, Sheridan had only 20 years, so all he had to do was wait for him to pass, then wait out the mourning period, and then be there when Delenn finally saw him.

The whole betrayal thing was so out of character, and so badly done.

The other thing was when they left B5 for the last time, with the 'new generation' taking over B5 shot, there was no Minbari ambassador there, and it should have been Linear.

The whole Minbari succession was botched because of the betrayal which didn't have to happen.


I'm trying to remember this, but I'm drawing a blank.  I must have blocked it out.   :icon_rofl:

I agree that there are better ways to go than having Lennier flip his lid like that.


6.)  Stretch out season four and pare down season five.

The original season four was seasons four and five condensed because there was a good chance there wasn't going to be a season five.  But then there was.


I know.  That's why I'd like to see that fixed in the new one.


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7.)  Change the conclusion of the Shadow War to something less anticlimactic.  Seriously; it was a big disappointment for me.

I think that actually made sense.  JMS said the story was about "killing your parents."  Not literally, of course, but more along the lines of outgrowing the need to be parented.  So, it made sense that the end of the Shadow War would be less like a traditional war and more like sending them to a retirement home.


It made sense, but it was still anticlimactic.  The Shadow War is the main plot of the series, and you can't just let it fizzle out like that.  They should have ended it with an assault on Z'ha'dum and the utter destruction of that planet by the good guys.


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8.)  Have Garibaldi redeem himself in a more conclusive way.  I don't want him to just "survive and advance."  I want him to triumph over his challenges.

I think the original plan was that Garibaldi would be killed when B5 was destroyed by the Shadows, as shown in the B-Squared episode.


That would have been preferable to his season four arc.  I'd still prefer he win his battles decisively, though.


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10.)  Figure out how to merge Talia and Lyta into a single character.

I think they originally were and split because of casting issues.


That's correct.  Casting issues threw several monkeywrenches into the plot.  That's why I'd like to see what the plot was supposed to be without those problems.  JMS seems to be leaning in that direction, too, if I'm interpreting his tweets correctly.

I thought of one more thing for my wish list:

11.)  Bring back Danica McKellar as a Centauri woman.  Maybe she can play Emperor Turhan's wife Lady Morella.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2021, 02:42:13 PM »
The Shadow War is the main plot of the series, and you can't just let it fizzle out like that.  They should have ended it with an assault on Z'ha'dum and the utter destruction of that planet by the good guys.

I'd have preferred that too.

The whole dark forces thing in the final season didn't really work.

And the poisoning of Earth at the beginning of Crusade was proved to be a bad move, since the series got cancelled mid way through the first season, when it was supposed to be a 5 year plot.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2021, 12:13:35 PM »
Now Jonesing for a Babylon 5 rewatch....

If anyone knows where it might be streaming please let me know.
 

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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2021, 12:19:27 PM »
If anyone knows where it might be streaming please let me know.

One of the reasons I still buy dvd's. Shows keep changing which streaming service they are on, so when you decide to re-binge, they are often not there on where-ever they were. Not ever getting a subscription to all of them.

One of the local streamers has a series which hasn't come out on dvd yet, but they only have seasons 1 and 3. What kind of insanity is that? I watched season 1, now waiting for the dvd's. The quality was terrible as well.

Buying dvd's has it sitting there when you want it, with none of this where is it streaming from now nonsense.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2021, 12:29:22 PM »
And the poisoning of Earth at the beginning of Crusade was proved to be a bad move, since the series got cancelled mid way through the first season, when it was supposed to be a 5 year plot.

The network screwing around with it was the problem.  As one example, I think it was the network that didn't like the uniforms and made them change them.  But the network also aired the shows out of order so they were wearing new uniforms before the in-universe explanation for why they had new uniforms.  And, like B5, it was a serialized story so airing episodes out of order was not good.
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Jeff Tanyard

Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2021, 03:28:24 PM »
Now Jonesing for a Babylon 5 rewatch....

If anyone knows where it might be streaming please let me know.


I think this is up to date:

https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/babylon-5/1030005471/
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2021, 01:42:10 AM »
I'm predicting a good first season (lots of source material and great effects) and then...not so much (reimagining and updating for a modern audience).
 

Jeff Tanyard

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2021, 03:33:51 PM »
I'm predicting a good first season (lots of source material and great effects) and then...not so much (reimagining and updating for a modern audience).


I think the opposite is more likely: a rocky first season followed by much-improved second and third seasons as the show finds its groove.  Like the original B5, in other words.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2021, 04:53:35 PM »
I'm predicting a good first season (lots of source material and great effects) and then...not so much (reimagining and updating for a modern audience).


I think the opposite is more likely: a rocky first season followed by much-improved second and third seasons as the show finds its groove.  Like the original B5, in other words.

The answer probably depends upon what level of involvement The CW takes.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2021, 11:49:45 PM »
I'm predicting a good first season (lots of source material and great effects) and then...not so much (reimagining and updating for a modern audience).


I think the opposite is more likely: a rocky first season followed by much-improved second and third seasons as the show finds its groove.  Like the original B5, in other words.

The answer probably depends upon what level of involvement The CW takes.

What level do they keep the profits on?
 

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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2021, 11:50:32 AM »
What level do they keep the profits on?


They're going to let N'Grath handle all the money issues.   :icon_mrgreen:


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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2021, 12:01:27 PM »
What level do they keep the profits on?


They're going to let N'Grath handle all the money issues.   :icon_mrgreen:




Their biggest problem will be that no one listens to Zathras.
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Re: The CW Doing a Babylon 5 Reboot
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2021, 12:03:37 PM »
Their biggest problem will be that no one listens to Zathras.


Zathras have very sad life.  Probably have very sad death.  But at least there is symmetry.
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