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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #100 on: March 19, 2021, 12:17:01 PM »
Thanks, all.

Now I have to figure out how I'm supposed to lower the price internationally without lowering the price in the U.S. Or do most of you lower the price across the board in every country and in the U.S.? Of course I understand doing it on Amazon, but what about B&N et al.? Is there a thread discussing how long it takes them to respond and which venues allow one to arrange the sale price in advance?

 

Simon Haynes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #101 on: March 19, 2021, 01:24:01 PM »
I lower it across the board, because otherwise I'd have to send out a '99 sale but not for you' email to my ML subscribers. Hate doing those (e.g. countdown deals for US and UK only.)
 

Doglover

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #102 on: March 19, 2021, 05:07:57 PM »
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2021, 10:03:57 PM »
In anticipation of my international BookBub, I decided to update the frontmatter and backmatter of some other books. Not the one being featured.

Amazon accepted the files and okayed them. D2D said the epubs had errors and issued me dire warnings, so I spent some hours in the weeds with the html tags and got them all pretty for D2D. The issues were some closing tags only. To my eye, the pages still looked fine. Should I replace the files on Amazon with these even newer files?

What about any other stores? Are they so slow to update that it would be a mistake? This is very last minute and I'm not sure that updated frontmatter and backmatter are crucial for sell through of other titles.

(And yes, I should have thought about this weeks ago.)
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2021, 10:30:12 PM »
What did you have to change? Are your links working?
 

VanessaC

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #105 on: April 13, 2021, 10:52:42 PM »
LilyBLily, congrats on the international Bookbub - do let us know how it goes for you.

In the spirit of this thread, I hope it's ok to share that I've also got an international Bookbub coming up on Sunday, 18 April. This was a bit of a shock, as all my books are in KU. The International Bookbub is for a box set of the complete (five book) first series which is normally 8.99 USD / GBP, but which I've reduced to 0.99 USD / GBP for April.

I've applied the reduction worldwide as it was an experiment - I've applied for a Bookbub on this box set before now, but always been rejected, so it was a nice surprise to get the international deal.

Side note: I've also run promos with Fussy Librarian, Bargainbooksy and ENT for the 0.99 box set this month and the results, well, dismal just about covers it - I don't think I've covered my costs even for Fussy Librarian. So I don't have high hopes for Bookbub, but I was delighted to get the slot anyway.

     



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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #106 on: April 13, 2021, 11:41:29 PM »
No links involved in the tag issue. Got my fingers crossed.
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #107 on: April 13, 2021, 11:47:06 PM »
Personally I wouldn't mess with files at this point then. Good luck to both of you Lily and Vanessa. <fingers crossed emoji>
 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #108 on: April 14, 2021, 03:06:44 AM »
My newsletter and the first paid ad have hit this morning with 22 sales so far. Nine clicks from my newsletter--and one unsubscribe and one spam complaint! It takes all kinds, right?

Good luck, VanessaC. Your box set should do well. Mine is stand-alone women's fiction and 99 cents for something that's usually $6.99. If that's not enough of a bargain, they can kiss my patootie.

Including the BookBub ad at $204, I've paid $60 for additional ads spaced out this week. Not a lot, but enough of a risk when I really don't know if the BookBub ad itself will do much. I might do a Facebook ad for the book this weekend, too, although FB ads make me queasy.
 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #109 on: April 14, 2021, 09:32:28 AM »
Now up to 46 sales, and 30 clicks from my newsletter. A few more unsubscribes, too.

Edited to add: Ended the day with 52 sales and 32 clicks from my newsletter.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2021, 02:11:52 PM by LilyBLily »
 

alhawke

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #110 on: April 14, 2021, 01:17:12 PM »
Now up to 46 sales, and 30 clicks from my newsletter. A few more unsubscribes, too.
:Tup2: Keep the sales coming. Good luck Lily & Vanessa!


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Simon Haynes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #111 on: April 14, 2021, 07:12:36 PM »
I have an international-only bookbub on the 16th April (A Riddle in Bronze, which is a gaslamp fantasy in the Paranormal Suspense BB category).

I've never run a promotion for this or reduced the price before so I'm interested to see how it goes.

I've also reduced the US price to 99c and booked nine promos of various kinds for that market. I think the first of those kicks off tonight.


 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #112 on: April 14, 2021, 11:31:02 PM »
Good luck on yours!

I have another promo today, and then I pause for BookBub tomorrow and have one more the day after. I had planned to do more, but then decided to wait and see. I can always tack on a Facebook ad without significant prior arrangements. I've already created the visual for one following David Gaughran's advice, so it wouldn't be hugely time-consuming to put it in place. I hope. FB is so labyrinthine.

Anyway, watching the numbers is entertainment. I just have to remind myself that I am paying for this entertainment.
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #113 on: April 14, 2021, 11:32:55 PM »
Good luck to both of you!
 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #114 on: April 15, 2021, 10:05:10 PM »
At 8 AM EDT: I'm surprised that my BookBub ad has not hit in the UK yet. Either that or there are zero sales in the UK. Those of you who know BookBub's timing are free to snicker at my excitement.

Day 1    54 sales. Assuming all 32 clicks from my newsletter resulted in sales leaves a respectable 22 sales from FKBT.
Day 2    10 sales from Book Doggy. I don't call that a success.
Day 3    ? sales BookBub

Updates to come!
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 10:37:46 PM by LilyBLily »
 
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notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #115 on: April 15, 2021, 11:53:36 PM »
Fingers crossed for you.
 

VanessaC

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #116 on: April 16, 2021, 12:23:41 AM »
At 8 AM EDT: I'm surprised that my BookBub ad has not hit in the UK yet. Either that or there are zero sales in the UK. Those of you who know BookBub's timing are free to snicker at my excitement.

Day 1    54 sales. Assuming all 32 clicks from my newsletter resulted in sales leaves a respectable 22 sales from FKBT.
Day 2    10 sales from Book Doggy. I don't call that a success.
Day 3    ? sales BookBub

Updates to come!

I'm in the UK and signed up to Bookbub as a reader. My Bookbub emails usually come in between 2pm and 3pm UK-time, and your post was showing at 1pm UK-time, so I'd say that the Bookbub email hadn't been sent out in the UK at that point.

Am sure those sales will start rolling in soon - good luck!

Edited to add: as I post this it's about 3.20pm in the UK, and my Bookbub email came through just before 3pm.
     



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VanessaC

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #117 on: April 16, 2021, 12:24:03 AM »
I have an international-only bookbub on the 16th April (A Riddle in Bronze, which is a gaslamp fantasy in the Paranormal Suspense BB category).

I've never run a promotion for this or reduced the price before so I'm interested to see how it goes.

I've also reduced the US price to 99c and booked nine promos of various kinds for that market. I think the first of those kicks off tonight.

Good luck for your interenational bookbub!
     



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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #118 on: April 16, 2021, 04:32:03 AM »
Day 1    54 sales. Assuming all 32 clicks from my newsletter resulted in sales leaves a respectable 22 sales from FKBT.
Day 2    10 sales from Book Doggy. I don't call that a success.
Day 3    12 sales from B&N
            52 sales from Kobo
            204 sales from Amazon--which seems a apt number since $204 was the price of the ad.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 04:34:34 AM by LilyBLily »
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #119 on: April 16, 2021, 05:42:25 AM »
Congratulations.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #120 on: April 16, 2021, 07:33:33 AM »
Day 1    54 sales. Assuming all 32 clicks from my newsletter resulted in sales leaves a respectable 22 sales from FKBT.
Day 2    10 sales from Book Doggy. I don't call that a success.
Day 3    12 sales from B&N--remarkable, considering B&N doesn't do international anymore.
            58 sales from Kobo
              0 sales from Google Play and Draft2Digital (for Apple)
          238 sales from Amazon
Total so far: 372 sales, or nearly half of what is needed to break even.

BookBub kindly sent me at my request a screen shot of the ad--with the copy they wrote to promote it. That sales copy is probably worth all that I have spent so far. You can bet I'm going to copy it word for word when I apply for a U.S. BookBub for this title.
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #121 on: April 16, 2021, 07:43:34 AM »
If you are talking about the bookbub blurb, you can see it on your bookbub page, or at least you used to be able to. I only ever had an Intl bookbub and I took note of it. I was similarly impressed with the one they did for me.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #122 on: April 16, 2021, 11:14:27 AM »
Day 1   April 13   54 sales Amazon, 12 sales B&N. Assuming all 32 clicks from my newsletter resulted in sales leaves a more than respectable 34 sales from FKBT ad. (Repositioned the B&N sales as they all occurred on Apr 13.)
Day 2   April 14   10 sales Amazon from Book Doggy ad. I don't call that a success.
Day 3   April 15   All sales from international BookBub ad
                         71 sales Kobo
                         257 sales Amazon
                           0 sales reported by Google Play and Draft2Digital (for Apple)--some could be delayed
Total as of 9 PM EDT: 404 sales, or more than half of what is needed to break even.

I'd be happy to reach 425 by end of day, but that may not happen. I myself don't usually open my daily BB newsletter the day it arrives, so I do assume a tail. So far, no sell through to other titles, but this sale is for a stand-alone title, not a series starter.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #123 on: April 16, 2021, 02:11:28 PM »
Day 1   April 13   54 sales Amazon      Ad on FKBT, and my newsletter
                         12 sales B&N
Day 2   April 14   10 sales Amazon      Ad on Book Doggy
Day 3   April 15                                 Ad on International BookBub
                         71 sales Kobo
                         263 sales Amazon
                           0 sales reported by Google Play and Draft2Digital (for Apple)--some could be delayed
Day 4   April 16  At 12 AM EDT, both Amazon and Kobo have rolled over to the next day despite Amazon usually using Pacific time.
                        84 sales Amazon
                         6 sales Kobo

Total so far: 500 sales   

To come later on April 16, ad on eReaderIQ
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 02:19:15 PM by LilyBLily »
 
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notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2021, 08:23:10 PM »
 :clap:
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2021, 10:23:45 PM »
Day 1   April 13   54 sales Amazon     Ad on FKBT, plus my newsletter
                         12 sales B&N
Day 2   April 14  10 sales Amazon      Ad on Book Doggy
Day 3   April 15                                Ad on International BookBub
                         71 sales Kobo
                       263 sales Amazon
                           0 sales reported by Google Play and Draft2Digital (for Apple)--some could be delayed
Day 4   April 16 At 8 AM EDT
                       108 sales Amazon
                         10 sales Kobo

Total so far: 528 sales   

To come later today, ad on eReaderIQ

By my calculations the breakeven is 776 sales, depending on currency fluctuations.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #126 on: April 17, 2021, 12:28:38 AM »
More revisions as lag reporting plays a role:

Day 1   April 13   54 sales Amazon     Ad on FKBT, plus my newsletter
                         12 sales B&N
Day 2   April 14  10 sales Amazon      Ad on Book Doggy--maybe not a loser after all?
                        15 sales B&N
Day 3   April 15                                Ad on International BookBub
                         71 sales Kobo
                       263 sales Amazon
                         67 sales reported by Draft2Digital for Apple
                          ? sales to come B&N reported Saturday or Monday?
Day 4   April 16 At 10 AM EDT
                       111 sales Amazon
                         12 sales Kobo

Total so far: 615 sales   

To come later today, ad on eReaderIQ--I'm not subscribed, so I'm not sure if it has dropped yet.

By my calculations the breakeven is 776 sales, depending on currency fluctuations.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #127 on: April 17, 2021, 10:27:03 PM »
Didn't want to bore anyone with the slower stats yesterday, much as they interested me. Google Play did finally report a handful of sales, and B&N did report this morning even though it's a weekend, as did D2D for Apple sales. The promotion is officially in positive dollars as of 8 AM EDT. I had miscalculated the royalty amounts granted in the non-Amazon stores, but even so, the totals already exceed my initial breakeven number of 776.

Bookbub's average sales for this category: 760

My book's sales so far:

502 Amazon
125 Apple
95 Kobo
56 B&N
13 Google Play

Total: 791

So, technically, this promo is a success.


Woo-hoo!
 

Maggie Ann

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #128 on: April 17, 2021, 11:17:35 PM »
 :banana-riding-llama-smiley-em
           
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2021, 01:35:48 AM »
Yay! Maybe you picked up some new fans too.
 

Simon Haynes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2021, 04:02:39 AM »
My BB in Supernatural Suspense has been running about a day and a bit, and I'm sitting on 380 or so international sales for that book. BB's expected for the category is 410 and I'll easily pass that over the next few days. It was a smaller category than fantasy or scifi, which I usually go for, but I applied for it because I felt it fitted the niche better.
 
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notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2021, 06:42:22 AM »
Congratulations!
 
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #132 on: April 18, 2021, 07:55:57 AM »
My BB in Supernatural Suspense has been running about a day and a bit, and I'm sitting on 380 or so international sales for that book. BB's expected for the category is 410 and I'll easily pass that over the next few days. It was a smaller category than fantasy or scifi, which I usually go for, but I applied for it because I felt it fitted the niche better.

That's good news.  :clap:
 
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Maggie Ann

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #133 on: April 18, 2021, 09:02:24 AM »
My BB in Supernatural Suspense has been running about a day and a bit, and I'm sitting on 380 or so international sales for that book. BB's expected for the category is 410 and I'll easily pass that over the next few days. It was a smaller category than fantasy or scifi, which I usually go for, but I applied for it because I felt it fitted the niche better.

 :banana:
           
 
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Jeff Tanyard

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #134 on: April 18, 2021, 10:17:53 AM »
Congrats, Lily and Simon!   :cheers
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Simon Haynes

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #135 on: April 18, 2021, 08:30:41 PM »
540 now.  Another 210 in the US from the other stacked promos (with a couple more to come).  The stacked promos cost me $175 US and the BB was $120 from memory.

I only have 1st day figures for Apple and Google, as they always lag a bit. Kobo performed well as usual, with most of the sales in Canada.
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #136 on: April 18, 2021, 10:52:27 PM »
Great! Happy for you.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #137 on: April 18, 2021, 10:58:19 PM »
That's excellent. You're really chugging past the expected number.
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JackT

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #138 on: April 18, 2021, 11:37:27 PM »
Congrats, both of you! Should be a shoo-in for a US deal in 2-3 months. :)
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #139 on: April 18, 2021, 11:53:14 PM »
Congrats, both of you! Should be a shoo-in for a US deal in 2-3 months. :)

I know that's the received wisdom, but we've already advertised our books on U.S. newsletters, and surely BookBub can only count clicks from its ads and check our rankings on certain days?

So if, say, the direct clicks from the BookBub ad for my book only equaled or neared their average--even though the clicks from other newsletters produced many more sales and created a profit--why would BookBub think our books were good candidates for what would be in essence a repeat sale in the U.S.?

Seriously wondering. What has been other people's recent experience?   
 

JackT

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #140 on: April 19, 2021, 12:03:05 AM »
I had an international Bookbub in February for a later-in-series book. It did reasonably well - getting the average number of sales Bookbub suggested - and I've just secured a US deal for next month (yay!).

I had another international earlier this month, on a standalone book, which did slightly less well. It will be interesting to see if that one gets a deal in July/August.

Both books were available in the US, at 0.99, but I didn't do anything to promote them there.
 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #141 on: April 19, 2021, 12:43:37 AM »
Congrats, both of you! Should be a shoo-in for a US deal in 2-3 months. :)

I know that's the received wisdom, but we've already advertised our books on U.S. newsletters, and surely BookBub can only count clicks from its ads and check our rankings on certain days?

So if, say, the direct clicks from the BookBub ad for my book only equaled or neared their average--even though the clicks from other newsletters produced many more sales and created a profit--why would BookBub think our books were good candidates for what would be in essence a repeat sale in the U.S.?

Seriously wondering. What has been other people's recent experience?
Not recent, but I had a very good Int'l bookbub Dec 2018 and they never accepted me for a US one.
 

VanessaC

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #142 on: April 19, 2021, 08:10:35 PM »
Congratulations to LilyBLily and Simon Haynes for what sound like successful international bookbubs.

 :banana:   :dance:   :banana:


My own international bookbub ran yesterday - 18 April. This was a 5 book complete series box-set, normally 8.99 and reduced to 0.99 for April.

18 April - 453 sales
19 April (so far) - 177 sales

So a total of 630 sales to date, which I'm delighted with (per Bookbub's own stats, I think the average for fantasy is 460 or thereabouts). Depending on exchange rates, I should also be in profit, which is an unexpected bonus.

The box set also broke into the top 100 paid on Amazon UK, which is another nice bonus, and is sitting high in some of its sub-categories (side note: I might need to look at the categories again, as the UK ones don't look quite right).

A lovely start to the week. Hope everyone else is having a good day.
     



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notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #143 on: April 19, 2021, 09:09:48 PM »
Great results Vanessa! Congratulations. I think I'll go apply again.
 
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Doglover

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #144 on: April 19, 2021, 09:22:40 PM »
I've never applied for a Bookbub. I have, of course, heard much about it but I've always shied away. Perhaps later on I'll give it some thought, although what to advertise I cannot imagine.
 

LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #145 on: April 19, 2021, 11:36:02 PM »
I've never applied for a Bookbub. I have, of course, heard much about it but I've always shied away. Perhaps later on I'll give it some thought, although what to advertise I cannot imagine.

It brought some excitement into my humdrum lockdown life.

You have many titles to choose from. Many of the books featured on BB are not first in series, which runs contrary to the received wisdom about only advertising the first book. My book had only nine reviews, again contrary to the intimidating "thousands of 5-star reviews on Goodreads" that BB often touts. You might as well just pick one and go for it. As I recall you're in the UK, so an international-only BB might be very good for continued sales.

 

notthatamanda

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #146 on: April 20, 2021, 06:57:38 AM »
I've never applied for a Bookbub. I have, of course, heard much about it but I've always shied away. Perhaps later on I'll give it some thought, although what to advertise I cannot imagine.
Your best bet is the first book in your series that has the best read through. Not to imply that is your best bet to get accepted, but that's probably your best bet to make money.
 

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Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #147 on: April 20, 2021, 11:58:00 AM »
As I recall you're in the UK, so an international-only BB might be very good for continued sales.

That only follows if someone's home market is their primary market, or at least is significant.

When the US is 70-80% of your income, international BB's make no sense.
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LilyBLily

Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #148 on: April 20, 2021, 02:00:13 PM »
As I recall you're in the UK, so an international-only BB might be very good for continued sales.

That only follows if someone's home market is their primary market, or at least is significant.

When the US is 70-80% of your income, international BB's make no sense.

As long as an ad pays for itself, surely it does make sense--unless you think that the typical support method of stacking US newsletter ads destroys prospects for a successful US BookBub ad. I won't know about that unless I actually get a US BB ad, and that is hardly a given.


 

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Re: Now I know why I will never get a BookBub
« Reply #149 on: April 20, 2021, 02:14:16 PM »
As long as an ad pays for itself, surely it does make sense

I guess I look at ads differently.

To my way of thinking, if an ad fails to produce a decent profit, then that ad was a failure.

I've had just 1 Intl BB on a book 7. Everyone told me it did well, but I've always viewed it as a total failure, and I'll never do another one.

Ads breaking even is not a rationale for doing them imo.

Sorry, that's just the way I think.
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