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munboy

Your go-to advice
« on: February 20, 2019, 01:11:27 AM »
With travel costs, I rarely ever make money at events like cons, but I go anyways. I love meeting readers and talking to them about books. I love meeting aspiring writers, too. I often get asked "What advice would you give people who want to be become writers?"

Obviously, that's a question that can take up hours and hours of classes and college courses, so I had to figure out how to narrow it down to just a few sentences.

So, my quick advice is to study the writers that you like. Look at how those authors put words on paper. How do they handle characters? How do they handle plots? What is it about that writer that you like so much? Once you've done that, take those things and apply them to your own writing and make them your own.

What's your quick, go-to writing advice?
 

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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2019, 02:18:17 AM »
Butt in chair, fingers on keyboards. Just do it.

I find it doesn't really matter what you tell them, most of them won't ever get started.

           
 
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 02:28:32 AM »
Before I'd give advice, I'd make sure the advice is appropriate for the person.

I'd ask, "Why do you want to publish? What is your goal? Money? Craft? Personal satisfaction of having published the stories in your head?"

The answers dictate the advice.
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 02:39:07 AM »
What's your quick, go-to writing advice?

Write.

Besides knowing the language you are writing in and how to write a story and all that, that's basically it.

Anything else is largely a search for validation rather than a solicitation for actual advice.

There's also the danger of buying into advice that's not conducive to your growth as a writer.

It can also feed insecurities.

Many moons ago, when I was an eager future writer still in high school, I tried to get into a writing course.  It was a mail order writing course.  I don't remember which one off-hand, but it seemed legit.  So, I sent for more information and such, and once they found out my age, they wanted to enroll me into the "young writers" course, not the regular course.  I wanted to be taken seriously as a writer, not be treated like a kid.  So, I found that somewhat offensive, trying to treat me differently not based on the quality of my writing but based on my age.  Then, when I didn't sign up, they started sending letters addressed to "the parents of" which was even more infuriating.

And then I read advice somewhere that you shouldn't even try to be a writer until you've lived your life.  Before you write, you should get married, have kids, get divorced, etc., etc., basically experience everything before you ever put a pen to paper (this was the "old days," you know?).

I dismissed it all, of course.  I mean, did any scifi or fantasy writers actually experience traveling to distant worlds or fighting trolls?  (Before the Internet, of course.)

But, somewhere, it probably stuck in the back of my mind.  I had stories I liked and I set them aside because I thought I couldn't do them justice until I became a better writer.

Well, how does one become a better writer without writing?

So, it all comes down to just write.

How much farther along would I be if I had written consistently until putting stuff off until I became a better writer?  How much faster could I have become a better writer if I had been more consistent with doing the actual writing part?

Granted, I got sidetracked with other things I really wanted to do, such as make horror films.  Never got far, largely because I also wanted to do a magazine and after I launched my first issue, I found I needed to change the name and while contemplating new names, I discovered the early days of the Internet and got well sidetracked.

Bottom line is, again, write.

On top of that, one writer will advise one thing and another will advise something else.  And if the advice of the writer(s) you admire is advice that really doesn't work for you, you may feel like less of a writer because you can't live up to the standards of "real" writers.  Or whatever.

So just write.

Who cares what Stephen King says?  Who cares what J.K. Rowling says?  Who cares what any other writing clown says?  Forget them.  Don't take any writers advice as gospel truth because it isn't, except this: write.

Find your own voice.

Find what works for you.

Tell the story you want to tell.

The only way to do that is to write.

So write.

Plot or don't plot.  Figure out what works for you and write.

Dictation or keyboard.  Figure out what works for you and write.

Paper and keyboard.  Seriously, type it on a computer so you don't need to retype.

But, anyway, just write.

Read, sure.

Learn the craft, sure.

Know the language, sure.

But write.

It doesn't matter if you write fifty words a day or five thousand words a day, just write.

Does a particular scene work or not?  You can play it over and over in your head but the only way to know for sure is to write.

Which word choice is better?  Write it down and figure it out.

First person?  Third person?  Past?  Present?  Future?  Just write the thing.

Nothing matters if you don't write it down.  So write it down.

It all comes down to one word: Write.
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 04:15:42 AM »
Butt in chair, fingers on keyboards. Just do it.

I find it doesn't really matter what you tell them, most of them won't ever get started.

While that's true, I choose to treat each and every one of them like they're hunched over their laptop or notebook every night. Some, I can tell they're not all that serious about writing, they just love to read. Others, it's obvious that it's a passion for them. You can see it in their faces when they talk about it...in the things they say. Still, I treat them the same. Give what advice and encouragement I can. There are even some who ask me to read over some stuff they've written and I'm more than happy to. They'll email me a piece of a story later and I'll do a quick critique of it.
 
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2019, 04:17:32 AM »
Before I'd give advice, I'd make sure the advice is appropriate for the person.

I'd ask, "Why do you want to publish? What is your goal? Money? Craft? Personal satisfaction of having published the stories in your head?"

The answers dictate the advice.

That seems a little too involved and leads to longer discussions than I'd like to have while standing at a table at a con. While I love to meet people, I'd also like to sell a book or two.  :icon_rofl:
 
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2019, 04:30:39 AM »
What's your quick, go-to writing advice?

And then I read advice somewhere that you shouldn't even try to be a writer until you've lived your life.  Before you write, you should get married, have kids, get divorced, etc., etc., basically experience everything before you ever put a pen to paper (this was the "old days," you know?).


There is a lot of truly horrible writing advice out there. One along this line that I've seen a time or two is "Don't write a word until you've read 1000 books." That one gets my blood boiling. No! You should be writing as you read! You should be learning by reading and practicing by writing.

As for this bit of advice you got, Neil Gaiman addresses this a little bit in his Masterclass. He talks about writing The Ocean at the End of the Lane. The MC is a guy in his 40s telling a story about something that happened to him when he was 7. And Gaiman talks about how he drew on his memories and feelings and experiences when he was that age. In a section about inspiration, he talks about how EVERYBODY has experiences no matter how young. He could write about being a 7 year old boy because he once was a 7 year old boy.

If a writer is 17, hasn't lived on her own. Has only had a part time job. Not married. No kids. Hasn't traveled that much....she still has experiences to write about! Boyfriends. Friends. Parents. Siblings. Puberty. School. Exploring the world. Sleep overs. Sports. Cheer. Music. Playing in school band. EVERYBODY has experiences they could write about. I would never, ever tell somebody "don't write until..."

Like you said...Write!
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2019, 06:35:37 AM »
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I find it doesn't really matter what you tell them, most of them won't ever get started.

This is true. The vast majority of aspiring writers I'm seeing are in love with the idea of being a writer but have no interest at all in learning how to do it and then doing it. They seek some sort of magical bullet list that they can do and end up being a selling writer (usually need to be selling within the month, too). It makes trying to help people very tiring, because they're full of excuses about why they don't write, or can't write, or can't spend time learning how to write, or whatever.
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2019, 03:14:00 PM »
When my kid asks me for advice on how to write books, I tell her to finish something. Anything. I think that's the part where most would-be writers drop out: after they've collected a stack of beginnings with no middles or ends. I've seen people take years to polish their work (I've been there) without ever actually finishing a single novel. So my advice is to get over that hump and finish something, even if it's not perfect. Once they've learned how to write a full story, they can worry about learning to write a good full story.

Something that helped me was to start with short stories and novellas. That made reaching The End seem more doable and it built my confidence by letting me start something I could actually finish in a reasonable amount of time, without getting overwhelmed. A time limit is also helpful, because it's hard to be a perfectionist when you're racing against the clock. I suggest a challenge to finish a short story in 1 week. It can be rough and unedited but they're not allowed to quit or rework it until they reach the end of the first draft.
 
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2019, 06:53:50 PM »
Quick advice on writing?  Well, pull up a chair, this could take a while ...

More seriously, echoing what Writer said above: learn to finish.  It doesn't have to be good (it probably won't be to start with) but, for me, there's a different sort of energy and stubbornness involved in finishing your work. 

I have dozens, perhaps hundreds, of scraps of ideas and bits and pieces of stories floating around hard-drives, floppy disks, and notebooks.  Some of them may even be good ideas, but readers don't want good ideas or unfinished scraps, they want complete stories. 

So, learn to finish, and more than once.

Depending on who's asking, I'd also point new writers to Rachel Aaron's writing advice, Chuck Wendig's writing advice and Hillary Rettig's "Seven secrets of the prolific", all of which really helped me when I was still learning to finish, and all with the caveat that you should take from these what you find useful.
     



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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2019, 12:28:37 AM »
Anyone can write, assuming you are literate.

But if you want to be a "writer," there is something even more important than writing.

You must read.

To many people who want to be writers don't read. That is sort of like, "I want to be a film maker, but I don't watch movies." Or "I want to be a musician, but I don't listen to music." It makes no sense.

If you are not a reader, you are writing in a void of nothing. You have no clue what has come before you. And all art is built on what came before it. You can't create anything of value in a void.

So you need to read. And read everything. Read in the genre you want to write. Read OUTSIDE the genre you want to write. Suffer through at least a couple of bestsellers in genres you hate, if for no other reason than to understand how those genres work and to develop the ability to employ different techniques and perspectives.

Reading teaches you all the things that are difficult to teach yourself. You can teach yourself grammar and sentence structure. You can teach yourself formatting. What you can't teach yourself are things like character development, world building, pacing, mood, dialogue, plotting, narrative voice, and all of those other intangibles. You need to read to learn how those things are done.


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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2019, 02:10:59 AM »
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Re: Your go-to advice
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2019, 02:53:23 AM »
I organize a group of local writers. Some have some experience and some are newbies. At our last meeting, we had a few big laughs over someone's interpretation of a book cover.

The best part about being a writer is hanging out with other writers and having a laugh about stuff.

But if you tell new people that, they'll get cranky that you're not telling them the "secrets" to getting a breakout hit with their first and only novel.
 
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