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Interesting discoveries after the switch to Mailerlite
« on: July 04, 2019, 12:54:44 AM »
I've occasionally gotten into discussions with people about whether or not double opt-in was a bad approach for email subscriptions because it potentially deterred signups. (People would sign up but not click the link in the confirmation email.) My position always was that the people who didn't take the extra step were likely to be less valuable subscribers for the most part, but I was just going by my gut. I never really had evidence--until now.

I didn't realize it, but for years I've been doing what amounted to triple opt-in. My Mailchimp list was set for double opt-in, and my integrations were set for double opt-in. I thought I was just confirming my list settings, but I was in fact making them more complicated. In other words, the integrated providers would confirm the email and send via API to Mailchimp, which would then confirm the email again.

I realized this when I switched to Mailerlite because Mailerlite has an easily viewable list of people who haven't confirmed their email yet. That list got very long very fast, which was worrisome. Stranger, though, was that subscribers from BookFunnel seemed to be getting onto the list without confirming their email. Turns out BookFunnel had designed the Mailerlite integration with their service and sent subscribers to Mailerlite as already active, bypassing the email confirmation. BF did this because it had already confirmed the email.

That was the light bulb moment. I checked my other two providers, StoryOrigin and Gleam (giveaway provider), and both were also confirming emails on their end, meaning I didn't need to have double opt-in set for subscribers sent through API. That was the cause of the huge pile-up of people who didn't confirm their email addressess--they'd already done it and thought they were through.

As soon as I turned off double opt-in, subscriptions started pouring in much faster than before. I had sent my June newsletter to 1,112 people. My July newsletter went to 2,635 people. The absolute number of opens and clicks increased. As a percentage of recipients, however, both dropped. To some extent, that's normal.

More worrisome was the response to my welcome email. On Mailchimp (with a much slower growth rate because of my accidental triple opt-in), open rates were over 50% and click rates over 25% for the welcome email. On Mailerlite, the open rate is 20% and the click rate about 6.5%. It was much higher for the brief period before I removed the extra opt-in step.

There is more than one possible explanation for this data, but the most obvious one is that the people who were willing to jump through the extra hoop were more engaged. Now that it's easier to sign up, I have more subscribers, but the extra ones are largely inert. Over time, that means I'll be paying more for my email list without getting a proportionate increase in interaction. This suggests that, while double opt-in reduces the number of subscribers, it has more affect on the number of unengaged ones than it does on the number of engaged ones.

For those of you who are first building your email lists, there's another take-away. Subscribers gained from people who are subscribing to get a free download of a reader magnet are more likely to interact than people gained from more general giveaways. The difference wasn't as obvious to me before because the extra step that I'd unwittingly inserted was filtering out a lot of the people subscribing to enter a giveaway. Some of the giveaway subscribers were fairly active, so I didn't see as much difference. Now, however, it's more obvious. The groups that open emails and click on links are predominately BookFunnel and StoryOrigin subscribers. There are a fair number of giveaway subscribers who also open and click, but there are a much larger proportion of that population that doesn't interact. (A lot of them lurk on social media and on my website, though, so that they can figure out when the next giveaway is, and some of the ones who don't open emails do share my posts on Facebook. In other words, some people can be good social media followers without necessarily being good mailing list subscribers.)

Summary take-aways:

Don't worry about losing subscribers through double opt-in. Most of the ones you lose will not interact very much.

General giveaways can be a good mechanism to draw people to your site, but they aren't necessarily a good source of subscribers. They work well as a way to reward existing subscribers, but there are better methods for getting new ones.


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Re: Interesting discoveries after the switch to Mailerlite
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2019, 05:45:12 AM »
Thanks for sharing! That's what I suspected as well. Nice to have it confirmed.

If you have a chance, do you mind expounding on why you switched from MailChimp to MailerLite? (Though perhaps you already posted in a different thread and I missed it.)

TIA!
 

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Re: Interesting discoveries after the switch to Mailerlite
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2019, 06:19:04 AM »
Thanks for sharing! That's what I suspected as well. Nice to have it confirmed.

If you have a chance, do you mind expounding on why you switched from MailChimp to MailerLite? (Though perhaps you already posted in a different thread and I missed it.)

TIA!
The subject was discussed in an earlier thread, but briefly, I had always liked MailChimp, but recently it started to do weird things. As someone who was only interesting in using MailChimp as a mailing list provider, I didn't mind that it offered other services, but when it started switching its basis from subscribers to audience (which includes unsubscribed contacts, among other things), that made me nervous. When I found out that it was changing its pricing model to charge based on audience rather than subscribers, I really got worried. There is more discussion of the issue at https://writersanctum.com/index.php?topic=2295.msg43709#msg43709 and at https://davidgaughran.com/2019/05/16/mailchimp-alternatives-criticism-changes-pricing-plans/ Of particular concern is Mailchimp's moving certain features to higher-priced options.

I also have a complaint that seems to be unique to me. At least, I've never seen anyone else voice it. When MC first introduced GDPR-compliant forms, I complained because someone could submit a form and be subscribed without checking the permission for email marketing box. Since I had only that on my form, it made no sense for people to be able to subscribe without giving permission for email marketing. At first, I had to put in another, non-GDPR box that said the same thing in order to be able to block people who hadn't consented from subscribing. Eventually, MC allowed the GDPR form to submit only if at least one type of marketing permission was granted.

However, there was a much more serious hole in the system that I discovered when contemplating the switch. Once someone has subscribed, that person can opt out of email marketing, but they still remain subscribed. Not only that, but their profile still shows them as opted-in. One has to review the person's actions to see the opt-out notation. I'm not sure how an EU court would respond to a complaint from something who had opted out of email marketing without unsubscribing, but I didn't especially want to be the test case. Even worse, when I started digging, I discovered that about half the people on my list were in that condition. I suspect some of those might have been due to a issue with the MC API, but I couldn't take the chance and ended up having to delete them all.

(In fairness, Mailerlite turns out to have a similar issue. I got around it by not including a GDPR opt-in box on the form. Instead, I incorporated the GDPR verbiage to make it clear that subscribing was giving permission for email marketing. That way, people have to unsubscribe to withdraw permission, so there's no risk of someone doing one but not the other.)

Anyway, Mailerlite is less expensive, has a better editor, and has better customer service (email support 24/7, very polite support people who keep working until the problem is resolved). I'm not sorry I switched, though I wish Mailchimp hadn't given me such good reason to.
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Re: Interesting discoveries after the switch to Mailerlite
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 09:12:25 AM »
Read this thread and the blog post by David Gaughran.

Thanks for sharing! That's what I suspected as well. Nice to have it confirmed.

If you have a chance, do you mind expounding on why you switched from MailChimp to MailerLite? (Though perhaps you already posted in a different thread and I missed it.)

TIA!
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Re: Interesting discoveries after the switch to Mailerlite
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2019, 01:46:41 PM »
I recently started moving subscribers to Mailerlite from Mailchimp, mainly because I couldn't make head nor tail of their new bits and I didn't like the audience thing. However, when I put my subscribers onto Mailerlite, I found at least ten of them rejected because they were on Mailerlite's list of banned email addresses.

I have no idea why and I have no idea why Mailchimp didn't pick up anything dodgy. One more reason to abandon Mailchimp.
 

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Re: Interesting discoveries after the switch to Mailerlite
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2019, 06:45:54 AM »
I recently started moving subscribers to Mailerlite from Mailchimp, mainly because I couldn't make head nor tail of their new bits and I didn't like the audience thing. However, when I put my subscribers onto Mailerlite, I found at least ten of them rejected because they were on Mailerlite's list of banned email addresses.

I have no idea why and I have no idea why Mailchimp didn't pick up anything dodgy. One more reason to abandon Mailchimp.
That's interesting. I wonder how Mailerlite makes that determination.

Gleam, my giveaway provider, rejects certain emails addresses, but I've never figured out how Gleam does it, either. The addresses all look fine to me. It may be what happens when they send a confirmation email, though the notation is different from what happens to an address that's waiting for confirmation.


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