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alhawke

Why run 99c promos anymore?
« on: June 02, 2024, 12:54:25 AM »
 :shrug It's something on my mind lately. I run promos from time to time, along with ads. What's your thoughts? Personally, I'm running less and less of them. For...

Isn't 99c the same as free ? I don't see much benefit in a 99c promotion with a $.35 payback in 2024. Maybe with a Bookbub... But then, wouldn't free get you further visibility?

I think it's time for the promotion companies to update to free and 2.99 promotions only. Or writers to just stop running 99c. I don't think 99c reflects payback in our current times. It was set up and used way back 2011, right? Come on publishers/writers, let's change with the times (well, either way, I suppose the times will change us).
 

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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2024, 01:59:35 AM »
Any barrier at all between free and paid gets you a better customer. One is a freebie hunter, one is a paying customer. I don't do anything at 99 cents but I definitely see the point of it.

That said, on a related note, I have been thinking lately about my prices and how they've been holding steady since 2012, and I've been giving some thought to whether or not that's me being stagnant or if the market really just doesn't support anything higher for books.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2024, 02:58:48 AM »
That said, on a related note, I have been thinking lately about my prices and how they've been holding steady since 2012, and I've been giving some thought to whether or not that's me being stagnant or if the market really just doesn't support anything higher for books.
On pricing, many ebooks I priced at $5.99 I've had to bring back down after a couple months. I lost about 1/2 revenue by going from $4.99 to $5.99 on two of my better selling ebooks. The sweet spot for more "expensive" ebooks, at least in my genre, seems to be $4.99 right now. And I continue to use $3.99 as my loss leader 1st book in series. This seems to work okay. I see a lot of writers experimenting with $5.99 and it's just not working for me yet.

Back to promos, I should add that I also only see benefit in running them when they're books in series. In other words, a freebie first initial book. I get that $.99 appears to be good for "buyers" vs freebie hunters, but I'm not seeing enough ebook movement with 99c anymore.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2024, 03:24:32 AM »
I actually see a fair amount of movement with $0.99 if it's the first book in a series. I also see fair movement if I put all three books in a trilogy at $0.99, even if that particular sale is only backed up by a BookFunnel promotion.

There's not as many follow-on sales as there used to be, but isn't that pretty much true of everything we do? Diminishing returns seem to be a common problem.


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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2024, 03:29:20 AM »
I know I'm an outlier, but I moved to $5.99 a couple of years ago, but left my older novels at $4.99. I saw a drop in sales in 2023, but that's picked back up this year.

I'm not planning to reduce sales prices at all, and am still debating when I increase the back catalogue to match. I may not, given the amount of work involved in updating blurbs and categories.

But my buying fans seem to have accepted the higher price now. And it's common with the other authors my fans also buy.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2024, 03:36:45 AM »
I know I'm an outlier, but I moved to $5.99 a couple of years ago, but left my older novels at $4.99. I saw a drop in sales in 2023, but that's picked back up this year.
When checking out other authors, I've seen this same pattern. Many are pricing new books at $5.99 and leaving the old ones at $4.99. I don't know their stats, of course, but their ranking seems to be less on their $5.99 books ?? I suppose, with an established brand and audience, eventually readers can come around to the higher prices.

For now, after my short experiment, I'll keep it at $4.99. I'm sure I'll be experimenting with raising price again soon enough though.
 

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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2024, 03:50:15 AM »
I actually see a fair amount of movement with $0.99 if it's the first book in a series. I also see fair movement if I put all three books in a trilogy at $0.99, even if that particular sale is only backed up by a BookFunnel promotion.
They're not bringing in enough to be worth it for me. Ads seem to be more promising. And the promo sites seem to be focusing solely on the US market and Amazon based on my sales (or , maybe that's just the market my books are selling in?).

My books are only selling about 1/2 what they sold 5years ago via 99c. With a 99c promo moving smaller # of copies at higher promo pricing for 99c with a .35c royalty, it's not really worth it. Not to mention the cost of running the promo is now double the price it was 5 yrs back.

Making a larger splash with a series and a free leader seems more desirable, particularly with most promos, like BookBub, being 1/2 the price for free. But I don't know. That's why I brought it up. I'm always trying to put a finger on how to spend less money while bringing in revenue.
 

Jeff Tanyard

Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2024, 04:25:10 AM »
Isn't 99c the same as free ?


No, not by any metric whatsoever.


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I don't see much benefit in a 99c promotion with a $.35 payback in 2024.


I also don't see much benefit in promoting a 99-cent book, so I don't do it.  Well, not paid promotions, anyway.


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Maybe with a Bookbub... But then, wouldn't free get you further visibility?


Yes, the difference between a 99-cent Bookbub and a free Bookbub is like the difference between a candle and a volcano.


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I think it's time for the promotion companies to update to free and 2.99 promotions only.


I think the promotion companies should be allowed to promote at whatever price point they wish.  Their businesses are theirs to run, not yours.  If you don't like their promotions, don't use them.


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Or writers to just stop running 99c.


That should be up to each individual writer.  For every truism in this business, there are outliers.  It may be a truism that promoting a 99-cent book isn't a very good use of one's marketing budget, but there's almost certainly some oddballs out there who are making it work.  I wouldn't encourage anyone to promote at 99 cents, and I might even discourage it, but I absolutely believe the option should exist.


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I don't think 99c reflects payback in our current times. It was set up and used way back 2011, right? Come on publishers/writers, let's change with the times (well, either way, I suppose the times will change us).


You have the option of pricing your books however you want, and you can promote at whatever prices you want.  Don't begrudge others those same choices.  Trying to force everyone into the same mold is how legacy publishing works, and legacy publishing's stifling atmosphere is why indie publishing holds so much appeal for so many people.  We're all here precisely because of the freedom of action self-publishing allows.  I would never advocate for stripping options from other authors simply because those options aren't working for me personally, because having those options is what this is all about.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2024, 05:47:14 AM »
You could always try a $1.99 discounted price and see what that does. It's the standard trad pub discount price and if your books are wide, readers might buy into it because that's a price they often see especially at B&N and Apple. But the BookBub fee would be enormous. That's really what keeps us from competing with the trads that advertise.

 
 
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2024, 07:00:53 AM »
From what I've read in author groups, it seems to depend on genre and whether or not the books are in KU.

A few historical fiction authors have said 99c is much better than free, while many romance authors prefer free.  This is for sell through.  I think everyone agrees more books are downloaded at free.

Another issue is READING the free book.  If it goes on the TBR pile of free books, there isn't much sell through.

I'm not in KU, but many authors have said they price book 1 at 99c over free since they still get paid for pages, so 99c promos might be more helpful?  Again, just from what I've seen in other groups.

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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2024, 07:03:14 AM »
I would never advocate for stripping options from other authors simply because those options aren't working for me personally, because having those options is what this is all about.
I didn't intend to advocate that. Looking back, I can see how it sounds like I did^^ with the $2.99 "only" suggestion. Suppose my frustration is we don't get enough $ for the work we do. Our books are priced too low, imo. The market will do what it will, as you say. Personally I'm planning on not running 99c anymore. I also question running future newsletter promos out of series. Series seems the only real way to make $ back.
I really set the thread up to brainstorm will all of you regarding newsletter marketing.
You could always try a $1.99 discounted price and see what that does. It's the standard trad pub discount price and if your books are wide, readers might buy into it because that's a price they often see especially at B&N and Apple. But the BookBub fee would be enormous. That's really what keeps us from competing with the trads that advertise.
It's an idea I've never tried... Have you? the royalty would be real low via Amazon though.
From what I've read in author groups, it seems to depend on genre and whether or not the books are in KU.
I'm not in KU, but many authors have said they price book 1 at 99c over free since they still get paid for pages, so 99c promos might be more helpful?  Again, just from what I've seen in other groups.
Ahhh. That makes a lot of sense and makes .99 more viable. I can see KU bringing in reads.
 
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2024, 09:00:33 AM »
I would never advocate for stripping options from other authors simply because those options aren't working for me personally, because having those options is what this is all about.


I didn't intend to advocate that.


Glad to hear it.   :cheers


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Looking back, I can see how it sounds like I did^^ with the $2.99 "only" suggestion.


The internet is an imperfect medium.  I've certainly made my share of goofs.   :icon_redface:


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Suppose my frustration is we don't get enough $ for the work we do.


I think we can all agree on that.  Who doesn't want more money, right?   :icon_mrgreen:


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Personally I'm planning on not running 99c anymore. I also question running future newsletter promos out of series. Series seems the only real way to make $ back.


I'm with you on all of this.  The only paid promotions I intend to do going forward are for permafree first-in-series books.  I know the people who make bank with AMS and KU will continue to use them, and that's great for them, and I wish them all the best, but I'm not one of them.  I've found what works best for me and what doesn't work at all for me.  I know my lane, and I intend to stay in it.

For any newbs reading this, I would advise the permafree first-in-series strategy.  In my opinion, it has the least risk, and it gives you the best chance of becoming a profitable author as soon as possible.  Lots of authors are reluctant to write an entire novel just to give it away for free, and their reluctance is your opportunity.  Your ceiling is lower than it is with AMS and KU, but your odds of profitability are higher.  Just my opinion, of course, and your mileage may vary.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2024, 09:27:11 AM »
I never discount to $0.99 post-launch. I'd rather advertise aggressively (AMS), get readers on my mailing lists, and "train" them to buy at full price.

The closest I come to discounting is letting Amazon promote my titles via Kindle deals and Prime Reading.

Side note... AMS can produce a secondary benefit: better organic rankings when your ads deliver high conversions and sales velocity in targeted keyword silos. But that's a different topic.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2024, 09:58:35 AM »
Promotion?  The regular price for a couple of my books is 99¢.

And now I'm experiencing an urge to price them all at 99¢.  :icon_think:
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2024, 10:19:27 AM »
Personally, I dislike 99c.  I think it's a reaction to all those 99c promos a few years ago.  I have a summer sale going, so I do have a few short stories for 99c, but I'll probably put them back to $1.99 after the sale.

I'd much rather make a book FREE.  (No email signup)  It's my gift to the reader.  If they like the story, they can buy more.  Or visit my library. 

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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2024, 10:36:07 AM »
I have a summer sale going, so I do have a few short stories for 99c, but I'll probably put them back to $1.99 after the sale.

How many words do you consider a short story to sell at 99¢/$1.99?
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2024, 11:10:04 AM »
I never discount to $0.99 post-launch. I'd rather advertise aggressively (AMS), get readers on my mailing lists, and "train" them to buy at full price.
Are your books on KU? I have had abysmal luck with AMS ads and my theory is that it's because my books are wide. All my ads are via Bookbub ads, which I market daily successfully. For some reason, maybe because I'm wide, Bookbub ads work for me, AMS don't.
Promotion?  The regular price for a couple of my books is 99¢.
I have one book that's 99c in my series. I chose not to price it permafree. Maybe I should? It's a very short story of only 55pages, but it works chronologically taking place before for my first novel.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2024, 01:03:49 PM »
I have three.  They're all very short.  WW2 story is about 1500 words. The other two are 2k and 3700.

WW2 story has been free this week (ends tomorrow) for Memorial Day. I don't know if Amazon has price matched, but most people get it on my site.

ETA: Down in the Well (my dad's story he told me) is just under 5k words.  It's $1.99 right now, but it's usually $2.99.  I might make it free for Father's Day.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2024, 11:47:29 PM »
Optimal price points depend to some extent on how much prospective readers will pay. Price it as high as the market will bear--but that requires experimentation.

Long ago, I learned that big trad bestsellers are not a good benchmark for indies. A better one would be what typical indies in our genre are doing. The best one would be to learn by experimenting what price point works best for us.

The notion that $.99 promos are not a good use of our marketing budget raised the related question of what is. I still do newsletter promos occasionally, mostly for new releases, and they mostly cost more than I make, but they do at least keep the new book from sinking immediately into the abyss. What the long-term effects are is harder to judge.

Neither FB ads nor BookBub ads ever did much for me (I mean the ads, not the promos, which I've never gotten.) AMS ads used to, but they've gotten progressively less profitable. That said, Anarchist has inspired me to monitor more closely and see if I can wring profit out of them.

In that regard, I have an observation which probably isn't worth starting a new thread for, so I'll mention it here. In looking at the kind of searches that fall under broad use of keywords, I was shocked to discover that some of them are irrelevant to my books. One of the search terms that customers were using fairly often (but that never produced any sales) was "stuff your Kindle free books." (I'm not kidding!) None of my books are free, so any clicks I got from that would be useless. Similarly, author searches for people I've never heard of came out of broad use of fantasy. All of those clicks went down the drain, too. I use some authors as keywords, but very carefully, usually people with whom I have something in common beyond just genre. Some of those actually produce sales. But random fantasy authors don't seem to. I also got clicks from m/m fantasy (broad result growing out of fantasy again). None of my books so far have m/m relationships, so again, the clicks went down the drain.

I'm experimenting using only exact and phrase categories. No more broad! My impressions are accumulating slowly, but at least I'm not getting buried in fruitless clicks right away. If that comes to anything, I'll start a thread for it.

I'm also trying a new feature of the sponsored brand ads. I knew they now required a non-book-cover image. What I didn't know was that you could have up to five (which then become a slide show). It's probably not as effective as video, which you can also do, but it's less labor-intensive to create, and our eyes do tend to be drawn to movement. Anyway, I set up four ads (one linking to the author page, the other three to specially made pages to emphasize a series). Amazon should allow linking to the already-existing series page as an option, but so far it doesn't. All four have slide shows. If those are more effective, I should see a difference between my first batch of image sponsored brand ads (which I've now turned off), and my current ones.

Beyond that, I'm monitoring frequently to see if I can find any patterns. I'm to the point where I'd see even a slightly less negative ROI as progress. 


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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2024, 12:45:57 AM »
Anything under $2.99 is fairly useless due to the lower royalty. There's just too much money left on the table. And 99 cents became a thing because it was the lowest price allowable. If Amazon would have allowed 49 cents, then we'd be talking about the 49 cent price point. For the first ten years of self-publishing, price was the only thing writers knew how to market. That's why we had the race to the bottom right out of the gate as everyone tried to undercut each other, which, in the end, gave us the ridiculous ten book boxsets for 99 cents.

A 70% royalty rate across the board would have opened up lots of opportunities, such as short episodic serial installments at $1.29. A ten episode story at that price wouldn't be too much to ask. But readers, to use Anarchist's concept, have been trained on what to expect, which is currently a bit of a cluster.
 
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2024, 02:21:48 AM »
We all have to decide what we want to do with our business.  Do we want to focus on affordability? Always be the lowest price?  And of course, 10 book boxsets at 99c can do well in KU. 

KU vs. wide makes a difference too.  I have nothing against KU, and I would probably put a few books back in...if I could also have them in my store.

Some authors seem to do well pricing high, while others stick to the middle. I don't know if any of this results in more sales.

99c books don't seem to move for everyone, and I've read (again in author groups) that some people can't give a free book away.

Even if we do have a store...is it to sell bundles?  Sell at a discount?  Make books exclusive to the store? Or just to have another option?

There are so many moving parts in this business, I think the challenge is to discover what we want, what works for us, and how best to implement the plan.

At the end of the day, books are an elastic good.  No one HAS to buy a book.  It's not food, utilities, nor fuel.  Some customers simply can't afford them anymore.  Others can pay hundreds for a specialty item on Kickstarter.  So again...find what works for our brand/business strategy and do our best.

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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2024, 02:46:34 AM »
The notion that $.99 promos are not a good use of our marketing budget raised the related question of what is.
For me, what works best is advertising via BookBub ads initial full-priced books (slightly discounted full-price). That's why I expanded my series. But it works for my witch series and authors I've found that lead to clicks, not for my other series books. So, this is what's crazy about marketing. I hear so many writers who've tried BookBub ads fail. Now that I have a large series, promoting my initial book is promising. And, after a recent Chirp deal, I hope to start pushing audio the same way. But this works for that specific book and series, not for the others. That's what's crazy. How could a writer plan any of this?

I've tried AMS ads and lost over 2k dollars with AMS with measly sales. So I've given up. I even hired a marketing agency for AMS. The sales were worse than BookBub ads for the series--and I don't advertise by BookBub that specific series because it doesn't sell enough.

Back to 99c, I reserve 0.99 now for BookBub promos (when I can land them). But I'm moving more and more to free because, honestly guys, 0.35 royalty will only land you $100-200 in even a huge BookBub promo for the book on sale. The power is in series co-sales. So I'm back to free promos to sell series books. It's not worth it for me otherwise.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2024, 09:53:22 PM »
We all have to decide what we want to do with our business.

While this is true, we also have to take into account how other publishers are skewing the market. The problem with the 99 cent boxset is that we trained the reader to expect them. As a result, everyone's work has been undervalued to the point, as you noted, that we can't even give our books away. Also, many of these multi-author boxsets were published to get them bestseller credentials - even if it was a bit misleading - with no regard for the broader market.

Self publishing has always been the wild wild west, and we've always had the black and gray hatters - such as the original KU boxsets that were designed to game the system for page reads.

Which is why I go on and on about branding, because branding minimizes market constraints.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2024, 11:21:55 AM »
Some of us can still give books away! But it can be a challenge.

99c boxsets make sense on KU.  I think as more authors "go wide" readers will expect different pricing.  Wide authors tend to have first ebook in a series free and higher priced boxsets...since they can go above the $9.99 without dropping back to 35%.

I don't use boxsets, but I am adding some collections.  Same type of thing/different cover style.  :dog1:

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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2024, 11:40:05 AM »
99c boxsets make sense on KU.

Not really.

99c on KU doesn't attract readers. In fact, it says low quality.

The only reason KU readers like 99c box sets is only taking up one slot for the whole series, and not having to load a new book when you finish one.

But at the end of the reading, the number of pages read is exactly the same as the single books.
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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2024, 11:40:14 PM »
99c boxsets make sense on KU.
99c on KU doesn't attract readers. In fact, it says low quality.

The only reason KU readers like 99c box sets is only taking up one slot for the whole series, and not having to load a new book when you finish one.

But at the end of the reading, the number of pages read is exactly the same as the single books.
It doesn't always say low quality. My very first book, which is also the first book of my longest series, has always been $0.99, and in most months, it's my best seller, the exceptions being months when I have a heavily promoted new release.

I haven't seen any evidence that price makes much difference to KU readers, one way or the other. But precisely because it's easier for readers to move immediately to the next book, writers might prefer KU readers to get the box set. I'm pretty sure that increases readthrough. On the other hand, box sets cannibalize sales of the individual books. It would be ideal if we could set up box sets that would only be available in KU and not for sale. But I imagine Amazon will never do that.


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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2024, 12:06:35 AM »
I haven't seen any evidence that price makes much difference to KU readers, one way or the other. But precisely because it's easier for readers to move immediately to the next book, writers might prefer KU readers to get the box set. I'm pretty sure that increases readthrough.

I've seen it happen. Back when I did promotions, I did a couple of them where at 4.99 the book got a lot of pages read. Do a 99c promotion, and KU reads stopped completely, until well after the price went back up again.

It was literally like a switch was flipped to turn KU off for that book. And the only thing to change was the price.

It's one of the reason I stopped doing any promotions like that. KU is 65% of my income and I'm not messing with it like that.

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On the other hand, box sets cannibalize sales of the individual books. It would be ideal if we could set up box sets that would only be available in KU and not for sale. But I imagine Amazon will never do that.

Yeah. You only do box sets, imo, when sales of the original have permanently tanked.

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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2024, 01:33:27 AM »
Interesting, my income is around 65% in KU as well. Right now, it's 64%. I've seen it hit 75 or go down to almost 50 (in months in which I have a lot of sales, like a well-advertised new release).


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Re: Why run 99c promos anymore?
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2024, 05:26:59 PM »
If you are wide, then unless you get a Bookbub 99cent promo, I don't see the point. I agree with you there. A wide author would be losing money unless you sell many books. I do 99-cent promos all the time, but I am in KU, going after borrows more than anything because I know that's where the bulk of my money will come from. BUT, I do tend to sale okay at 99 when I do new release promos. For backlist, I usually do free promo days and if I do 99 cents for backlist, again, it's just to get people to see my books are in KU.

Whatever you do, gotta have a strategy that works for YOU. Not everything works for everyone. Many authors still kill at 99 cents but they are in KU. Wide authors tend to price much higher overall and don't do as many 99-cent promos because again, unless you can land a Bookbub, you most likely will lose money where a KU author can make out pretty good at 99 cents because (if you are getting decent reads) you will make up the income in reads and most likely make way more in reads anyway than you would've just a straight 99 cent sale.

People do 99 cents to get their books attention and most (like me) are after moving volume and getting buzz at that price. That's why authors tend to price 99 cents when they first release then raise the price later. It's just a strategy to get more eyes plus it's easier to promote a 99-cent book, especially in KU.

Sorry, I'm not going to stop using 99-cents or free because it works very well for me. Many promo sites let you promote 2.99 and up books but guess what? The promos often don't do well at all because promo sites are for readers who are looking for BARGAINS. If they wanted higher-priced books they wouldn't be signing up to those promo lists. There would be no point for readers to sign up when they could just go to Amazon to see higher-priced books. Higher-priced books are not "special" but books running deals are. Promo sites thrive because they offer deals. If they stopped that (which they won't) they might as well go out of business.

The genie is out of the bottle and it's been out of the bottle. Authors are going to do what works for them which makes sense and if 99 cents and free didn't work for anyone anymore authors wouldn't still be using those tactics and promo sites wouldn't still be here. Again, it's about strategy and goals.

People who don't want to do 99 cents or free should not use promo sites. Those sites are not for them but there are plenty of other things they can do like run ads, mailing list swaps, group promos on BookFunnel and Story Origin. But promo sites are for those pricing at a certain price and everything is not for everyone or every book.

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