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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2019, 07:59:47 AM »
I enjoy writing, so I try not to think about the money.  Of course, that's impossible...

Indeed.

I remember many moons ago when I did my newsletter.  I tried to do it monthly--not always successful at that--and then I'd print up copies on the dot-matrix printer, separate the sheets and staple them in the corner.  I think I sold them for fifteen cents.  Later, when I got all fancy and was able to do it as a booklet with more than three pages, I was selling them for a dollar or something.

Never sold many, but my marketing reach was perhaps two dozen people.  But, you could see the potential.  That once I could advertise to a larger market, I could sell hundreds of copies.  Maybe millions, you know?  Heck, all you need is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the U.S. population to subscribe to your newsletter and you're a millionaire.  I had all the math worked out.

So, it was fun writing.  There was always the potential.  So much potential.  The future was going to be great.

Then, you know, reality.  And the reality is you can't even get people to subscribe to stuff for free.  I barely have more people on my list that download the free copies of my newsletter than I had paying customers when I used to sell my newsletter.

So, the hope of potential is gone and you're left wondering if you could make more money finding pet-safe paints, dipping your cat's feet in them, letting her run wild on a canvas then marketing the "paintings" as art for $10k a pop.
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Lorri Moulton

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2019, 02:23:13 AM »
I enjoy writing, so I try not to think about the money.  Of course, that's impossible...

Indeed.

I remember many moons ago when I did my newsletter.  I tried to do it monthly--not always successful at that--and then I'd print up copies on the dot-matrix printer, separate the sheets and staple them in the corner.  I think I sold them for fifteen cents.  Later, when I got all fancy and was able to do it as a booklet with more than three pages, I was selling them for a dollar or something.

Never sold many, but my marketing reach was perhaps two dozen people.  But, you could see the potential.  That once I could advertise to a larger market, I could sell hundreds of copies.  Maybe millions, you know?  Heck, all you need is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the U.S. population to subscribe to your newsletter and you're a millionaire.  I had all the math worked out.

So, it was fun writing.  There was always the potential.  So much potential.  The future was going to be great.

Then, you know, reality.  And the reality is you can't even get people to subscribe to stuff for free.  I barely have more people on my list that download the free copies of my newsletter than I had paying customers when I used to sell my newsletter.

So, the hope of potential is gone and you're left wondering if you could make more money finding pet-safe paints, dipping your cat's feet in them, letting her run wild on a canvas then marketing the "paintings" as art for $10k a pop.

Anything is possible.  Look at Keyboard Cat...

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DmGuay

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2019, 02:28:09 AM »
Well, I can assure all of you that when I stop publishing, it will be because the cancer got me and I am either dead or debilitated. There. You'll never have to wonder.  :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel:
 
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Lorri Moulton

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2019, 02:30:21 AM »
DM, you rock!  :cheers


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DmGuay

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2019, 02:36:23 AM »
DM, you rock!  :cheers

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Tom Wood

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2019, 02:58:23 AM »
... So, the hope of potential is gone and you're left wondering if you could make more money finding pet-safe paints, dipping your cat's feet in them, letting her run wild on a canvas then marketing the "paintings" as art for $10k a pop.

Pet-safe paint... So that's where I went wrong!  :doh:
 
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Post-Doctorate D

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2019, 03:51:13 AM »
Anything is possible.  Look at Keyboard Cat...



Thanks.  That got me thinking.  And then I went online to search for cat paw props.  And then I ended up on a site I haven't purchased from in a long time and while there I searched for a martian popping thing which they no longer have so then I ended up on Amazon, searching first for cat paw props and then for the martian popping thing.  On that second search is where I found the product below, which I will not mention what it is, but since you're the one that started me down this rabbit hole, the following link is entirely your own fault:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BZVLPVB/

I am not buying one.  Ew.
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DmGuay

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2019, 04:06:52 AM »
Anything is possible.  Look at Keyboard Cat...



Thanks.  That got me thinking.  And then I went online to search for cat paw props.  And then I ended up on a site I haven't purchased from in a long time and while there I searched for a martian popping thing which they no longer have so then I ended up on Amazon, searching first for cat paw props and then for the martian popping thing.  On that second search is where I found the product below, which I will not mention what it is, but since you're the one that started me down this rabbit hole, the following link is entirely your own fault:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BZVLPVB/

I am not buying one.  Ew.

Oh my God. Why does this exist??
And most of the reviews aren't even jokes.
Mind. Blown.
 
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Maggie Ann

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2019, 04:10:14 AM »
Anything is possible.  Look at Keyboard Cat...



Thanks.  That got me thinking.  And then I went online to search for cat paw props.  And then I ended up on a site I haven't purchased from in a long time and while there I searched for a martian popping thing which they no longer have so then I ended up on Amazon, searching first for cat paw props and then for the martian popping thing.  On that second search is where I found the product below, which I will not mention what it is, but since you're the one that started me down this rabbit hole, the following link is entirely your own fault:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BZVLPVB/

I am not buying one.  Ew.

Triple Ew!!! You made me look.  :n2Str17:
           
 
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Post-Doctorate D

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2019, 04:15:09 AM »
All the blame belongs to Lorri.   :hehe
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Lorri Moulton

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2019, 05:23:54 AM »
All the blame belongs to Lorri.   :hehe

I am not taking responsibility for that thing. Although, I do like keyboard cat. LOL


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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2019, 07:33:31 AM »
All the blame belongs to Lorri.   :hehe

I am not taking responsibility for that thing. Although, I do like keyboard cat. LOL

You're the one that started me down the rabbit hole that led to that.  :hehe

And do you know what that has wrought?

An eMail today from Amazon recommending this to me: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BW44HNZ
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Lorri Moulton

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2019, 07:36:34 AM »
Dan, fool me once. I'm not clicking that link! LOL


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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2019, 08:28:27 AM »
Dan, fool me once. I'm not clicking that link! LOL
Lorri, whatever you do, DON'T CLICK ON THAT LINK.
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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2019, 09:45:01 AM »
Dan, fool me once. I'm not clicking that link! LOL
Lorri, whatever you do, DON'T CLICK ON THAT LINK.
Here's a llama. Or a bunchee. I don't know.
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LOL :cheers


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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2019, 09:49:11 AM »
It's a bunchie!  :banana-riding-llama-smiley-em

Also, you know you wanna click.  Can you resist not knowing?  Never knowing what's there will eat away at you, leaving you wondering if you're missing out on something.  What if it was a really good deal or something?  Can you really, truly, absolutely handle not knowing?  If knowledge is power, why deprive yourself of power?  You're only hurting yourself really.  Such a shame.  Oh well.
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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2019, 10:43:18 AM »
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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2019, 03:31:15 AM »
If you accept an assumption that I am a 'good' writer, I stopped writing regularly because I didn't need the money and also my books were making less money.  For a while I stopped writing at all and now I am writing a bit more in just-for-fun venues. 

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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2019, 10:26:55 PM »
Writing is a tough business. It requires lots of effort, hard work and these days, you have to publish fast. Eventually, you're going to burn out. Anyhow, if you've made enough money (and royalties, even though smaller, keep coming in), then it's okay to write whatever you want (rather than publish to market) and at the pace you want (rather than having to publish every 60 days). You're not going to live forever, so why not slow down a little and enjoy life once you've "made it"?
 
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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2019, 04:26:42 AM »
Writing is a tough business. It requires lots of effort, hard work and these days, you have to publish fast. Eventually, you're going to burn out. Anyhow, if you've made enough money (and royalties, even though smaller, keep coming in), then it's okay to write whatever you want (rather than publish to market) and at the pace you want (rather than having to publish every 60 days). You're not going to live forever, so why not slow down a little and enjoy life once you've "made it"?
Well, I haven't made it yet, but otherwise your describing my situation to an extent.

When I started self-pubbing, I was very naive and had no idea what I was doing. At the time, I was still working, and one full-length book and one short were as much as I could manage. The first year of retirement, I produced three full-length books and three shorts.

However, I retired in part because I was having a hard-time keeping up with the pace. Strangely, I didn't want to work ten to twelve hours a day on weekdays and about five hours a day on weekends. Now I'm realizing that, with the production pace a lot of people need to succeed, I'd have to be working ten to twelve hours a day to make it. I decided I didn't want to keep up that kind of pace anymore. That's what I meant in another thread when I said I was embracing my prawniness. I love writing too much to just stop, but I decided I would stop pushing for bigger and bigger sales. If lightning strikes, I won't be unhappy, but I'm not going to work myself to death to make it strike.

(Of course, I have the luxury of doing that because I don't need the income. If I did, the choice would be much more complicated and difficult.)


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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2019, 05:09:41 AM »
It feels weird to say, but it's nice to realize I'm not alone in dealing with the issues of publishing. I don't have any trouble with the writing, really. I love to write. But the publishing grind gets me down. You have to write to market, you have to be full-on social media, you have to spend X amount to make one-tenth of that in profit. It gets crazy. Add in all the people who are just in it to game KU and make all the money, and it's no wonder some of us are depressed about the whole thing.

When I first learned about self publishing, I guess all I thought about was that finally people like me, people who'd been writing for years or who always planned to write a book, could publish without all the hassles of trying for an agent and hoping the agent could sell a book to a publisher. It was a process that took years and more luck than people want to believe, and I was always too insecure to try it. And I think it would have been mostly folks like me, if Amazon hadn't come up with KU, which is so easy to cheat for big money. :(
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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2019, 05:56:52 AM »
It feels weird to say, but it's nice to realize I'm not alone in dealing with the issues of publishing. I don't have any trouble with the writing, really. I love to write. But the publishing grind gets me down. You have to write to market, you have to be full-on social media, you have to spend X amount to make one-tenth of that in profit. It gets crazy. Add in all the people who are just in it to game KU and make all the money, and it's no wonder some of us are depressed about the whole thing.

When I first learned about self publishing, I guess all I thought about was that finally people like me, people who'd been writing for years or who always planned to write a book, could publish without all the hassles of trying for an agent and hoping the agent could sell a book to a publisher. It was a process that took years and more luck than people want to believe, and I was always too insecure to try it. And I think it would have been mostly folks like me, if Amazon hadn't come up with KU, which is so easy to cheat for big money. :(
Well, we can publish without all those hassles. But you're so right. Self-publishing now has its own set of hassles.

I think the process would be hard even without the cheaters. The sheer number of authors would continue to grow, so that visibility became harder and harder to come by. Even so, it would be nice to be on a level playing field.

I make more money from KU than I do from sales, but I'd be willing to see it go if that were a way to get the system to work better.


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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2019, 04:35:23 AM »
It feels weird to say, but it's nice to realize I'm not alone in dealing with the issues of publishing. I don't have any trouble with the writing, really. I love to write. But the publishing grind gets me down. You have to write to market, you have to be full-on social media, you have to spend X amount to make one-tenth of that in profit. It gets crazy. Add in all the people who are just in it to game KU and make all the money, and it's no wonder some of us are depressed about the whole thing.

When I first learned about self publishing, I guess all I thought about was that finally people like me, people who'd been writing for years or who always planned to write a book, could publish without all the hassles of trying for an agent and hoping the agent could sell a book to a publisher. It was a process that took years and more luck than people want to believe, and I was always too insecure to try it. And I think it would have been mostly folks like me, if Amazon hadn't come up with KU, which is so easy to cheat for big money. :(

This is the reason I keep bring up the need to find a better way of engaging with readers, aka 'publishing'. Squeezing self-publishers has become a huge business. Most of the platforms now employ some form of pay to play, which is practically predatory. The fact that some self-publishers are beating the house doesn't forgive the system, much less legitimize it. They control visibility, pricing, reviews and indirectly, product design, which includes book length. Serials are a prime example. Due to the nature of the acceptable pricing alternatives, not even Amazon could make serials work. And, once again, (because your mileage may vary can't be stressed enough here), just because a handful of self-publishers have cracked the code doesn't make the business model workable. Shorts and serials are extremely difficult to promote due to platform constraints, not because of anything intrinsic about the format itself. Yes, they are a niche product, but low demand does not equate to no demand.

Writing is hard. Writing fiction is really hard. Writing good entertaining fiction is really really f*cking hard. The ability to publish doesn't automatically make us all equally talented. It's the ability to market and game and hat that separates winners and losers now - not the ability to tell a story. In the aggregate, we've finally lived up to all of the jeers traditional publishing has been throwing at us. The elephant in the room is that most Indie work is just not very good, especially once we consider the scammers and hatters. And we all pay the price for every reader that gets burned. Amazon's category lists are a useless clusterf*ck, for both publishers and readers alike.

So, when we look at reports stating that reading is on the decline, I think we have to ask: is it because of a genuine disinterest in written stories, or is it because there's very little worth reading these days. Or, is it because with all of the other entertainment options out there, wading through the morass of sh*t just isn't worth the trouble anymore?

I've backed off from publishing. I just don't see the point of burning good ideas and hard work with the current system. The old mantra was that it's not a sprint, it's a marathon, but when it comes to the current state of promotion, it's a daily sprint with no foreseeable reprieve. Amazon has worked to minimize the influence of third-party promotion sites, such as Bookbub, in an effort to make self-publishers more dependent on AMS. The reality is that they are going to squeeze us more and more, because there's a never-ending crop of 'get rich quick' wannabes jumping into the fray every day.

I'm not being Chicken Little here. Squeeze the platforms back, get all you can, as fast as you can. But I think we have to be cognizant of the fact that the Indie world is due another massive disruption, quite possibly driven by the distribution channels themselves. We can either be forward thinking and help define what that disruption will be, or we can wait to get steamrolled. Again, there are enough scammers, hatters and newbies to keep these distribution channels going no matter how onerous their terms become.

So yeah, I totally agree. Publishing is a mess right now, and that includes traditional publishing. I’m sure many have thrown their hands up in disgust. When we attempt to monetize Art, unfortunately, the first thing to go is usually the Artist.

 
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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2019, 06:22:55 AM »
It feels weird to say, but it's nice to realize I'm not alone in dealing with the issues of publishing. I don't have any trouble with the writing, really. I love to write. But the publishing grind gets me down. You have to write to market, you have to be full-on social media, you have to spend X amount to make one-tenth of that in profit. It gets crazy. Add in all the people who are just in it to game KU and make all the money, and it's no wonder some of us are depressed about the whole thing.

When I first learned about self publishing, I guess all I thought about was that finally people like me, people who'd been writing for years or who always planned to write a book, could publish without all the hassles of trying for an agent and hoping the agent could sell a book to a publisher. It was a process that took years and more luck than people want to believe, and I was always too insecure to try it. And I think it would have been mostly folks like me, if Amazon hadn't come up with KU, which is so easy to cheat for big money. :(

This is the reason I keep bring up the need to find a better way of engaging with readers, aka 'publishing'. Squeezing self-publishers has become a huge business. Most of the platforms now employ some form of pay to play, which is practically predatory. The fact that some self-publishers are beating the house doesn't forgive the system, much less legitimize it. They control visibility, pricing, reviews and indirectly, product design, which includes book length. Serials are a prime example. Due to the nature of the acceptable pricing alternatives, not even Amazon could make serials work. And, once again, (because your mileage may vary can't be stressed enough here), just because a handful of self-publishers have cracked the code doesn't make the business model workable. Shorts and serials are extremely difficult to promote due to platform constraints, not because of anything intrinsic about the format itself. Yes, they are a niche product, but low demand does not equate to no demand.

Writing is hard. Writing fiction is really hard. Writing good entertaining fiction is really really f*cking hard. The ability to publish doesn't automatically make us all equally talented. It's the ability to market and game and hat that separates winners and losers now - not the ability to tell a story. In the aggregate, we've finally lived up to all of the jeers traditional publishing has been throwing at us. The elephant in the room is that most Indie work is just not very good, especially once we consider the scammers and hatters. And we all pay the price for every reader that gets burned. Amazon's category lists are a useless clusterf*ck, for both publishers and readers alike.

So, when we look at reports stating that reading is on the decline, I think we have to ask: is it because of a genuine disinterest in written stories, or is it because there's very little worth reading these days. Or, is it because with all of the other entertainment options out there, wading through the morass of sh*t just isn't worth the trouble anymore?

I've backed off from publishing. I just don't see the point of burning good ideas and hard work with the current system. The old mantra was that it's not a sprint, it's a marathon, but when it comes to the current state of promotion, it's a daily sprint with no foreseeable reprieve. Amazon has worked to minimize the influence of third-party promotion sites, such as Bookbub, in an effort to make self-publishers more dependent on AMS. The reality is that they are going to squeeze us more and more, because there's a never-ending crop of 'get rich quick' wannabes jumping into the fray every day.

I'm not being Chicken Little here. Squeeze the platforms back, get all you can, as fast as you can. But I think we have to be cognizant of the fact that the Indie world is due another massive disruption, quite possibly driven by the distribution channels themselves. We can either be forward thinking and help define what that disruption will be, or we can wait to get steamrolled. Again, there are enough scammers, hatters and newbies to keep these distribution channels going no matter how onerous their terms become.

So yeah, I totally agree. Publishing is a mess right now, and that includes traditional publishing. I’m sure many have thrown their hands up in disgust. When we attempt to monetize Art, unfortunately, the first thing to go is usually the Artist.
As I recall, I wasn't completely onboard with your proposed solution in another thread, but it's hard to argue with your description of the problem.

I will quibble with your description of indie work a little. I never have trouble finding a good indie book to read. However, I can't deny that there are people out there who at the very least needed more practice before they started publishing, and some scams have resulted in their being a lot of garbage floating around that even its own authors wouldn't have thought of as good.

I derive a little hope from the old saying about not being able to get blood from a turnip. One of the reasons KDP got so flooded was the nonexistent entry cost. That's still technical nonexistent, but as you point out, Amazon is squeezing us hard with stuff like AMS. I guess some people will cling regardless, but a lot of people who aren't immediately successful will fall away, and I think as the actual cost of entry becomes apparent, there may not be an endless flow of newbies to take their place. In other words, there's an upper limit beyond which Amazon's squeezing becomes counterproductive.

The problem with indies is that, like most creative types, it's hard to get us to all move in the same direction. For instance, Amazon might rethink how it handles AMS ads if everyone paused their ads. Amazon might fix KU if everyone unchecked their renewal boxes. Neither of those things will happen. Indies have a lot of collective power, controlling the vast bulk of the KU enrollment and providing well over a third of ebook sales on Amazon. But we'll never reach agreement on how to use it. That powerful genie will stay securely within its bottle.


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Lorri Moulton

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2019, 09:42:16 AM »
Just like Google, the cost of advertising will become so expensive that for many they'll likely have to drop out or reduce their budget by quite a bit.

I don't pay for promotions.  Yes, it would definitely be nice to sell more books...but I see this as a short term solution even if I had the money to play, which I do not.

In the long run, I'm hoping good books and an organic following will be enough.   :smilie_zauber:


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Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #75 on: April 01, 2019, 10:13:48 PM »
Distractions. Life. sh*t Happens. :writethink:

Today was my first time really writing for quite a while (well, kind of 'a while' for me is what? a month or so? It feels like forever...). I didn't quit, life just got in the way. My health went tits up, my daughter moved out and to another state, finances got tight and due to slacking on social media, my sales bombed to rock bottom and I got depressed .. which is seriously not good for my health since I found out I have fibromyalgia on top of APS and Lupus and stress is a major issue now rather than something I can just ignore or push through.

Despite all of that, my brain was still in the game. I plotted, I planned, I wrote and dreamed scenes, I created new lives and then ruthlessly destroyed them or built them pretty little HEA's while swearing they would never turn into a series - because I really need to stop bogging myself down with series -  :angel:  :banana-riding-llama-smiley-em
In the end, I couldn't sleep last night, was running scenes through my head and ended up with the start of a new book I didn't need.  :doh:

Today, however, is the start of a new day. I am finally giving in to have someone come in to help cook and clean, I am spring cleaning to get rid of all the non-essential crap that has somehow made its way into my house, and I should have the privacy and uninterrupted time to write as much as I want from this point forward. So, I guess we will see how I do without all the distractions and exhaustion that comes from all of the above...
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Lorri Moulton

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #76 on: April 02, 2019, 01:54:49 AM »
Distractions. Life. sh*t Happens. :writethink:

Today was my first time really writing for quite a while (well, kind of 'a while' for me is what? a month or so? It feels like forever...). I didn't quit, life just got in the way. My health went tits up, my daughter moved out and to another state, finances got tight and due to slacking on social media, my sales bombed to rock bottom and I got depressed .. which is seriously not good for my health since I found out I have fibromyalgia on top of APS and Lupus and stress is a major issue now rather than something I can just ignore or push through.

Despite all of that, my brain was still in the game. I plotted, I planned, I wrote and dreamed scenes, I created new lives and then ruthlessly destroyed them or built them pretty little HEA's while swearing they would never turn into a series - because I really need to stop bogging myself down with series -  :angel:  :banana-riding-llama-smiley-em
In the end, I couldn't sleep last night, was running scenes through my head and ended up with the start of a new book I didn't need.  :doh:

Today, however, is the start of a new day. I am finally giving in to have someone come in to help cook and clean, I am spring cleaning to get rid of all the non-essential crap that has somehow made its way into my house, and I should have the privacy and uninterrupted time to write as much as I want from this point forward. So, I guess we will see how I do without all the distractions and exhaustion that comes from all of the above...

And....she's back!!!   :cheers :goodpost:

Good to see you, Pandorra!


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Gerri Attrick

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #77 on: April 02, 2019, 02:55:35 AM »
Writing sucks? Oh, I’m with you Joe. And with Dorothy Parker about the “hate writing, love having written” thing.

I’ve been at this game for nine years and last week - not for the first time - I finally quit. The struggle just got too much. I’m too old, too frail for this sh*t. Why bother when (from 16 books in 3 series) I made all of £114 last month. Bah! Pitiful.

Add in a beta reader saying that the first in a new series had “run on sentences” and “the point of view changed within the scene” - yeah, so what? It’s allowed - and I threw in the towel.

Yesterday, I began plotting the next one. *Sigh* I’ll never learn, but as someone upthread said, I get depressed - and the guilt, oh gods! The guilt - when I don’t write. I can’t walk away. I’ve nothing to walk away to.  :icon_cry:
 
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Pandorra

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #78 on: April 02, 2019, 03:23:47 AM »
Distractions. Life. sh*t Happens. :writethink:

Today was my first time really writing for quite a while (well, kind of 'a while' for me is what? a month or so? It feels like forever...). I didn't quit, life just got in the way. My health went tits up, my daughter moved out and to another state, finances got tight and due to slacking on social media, my sales bombed to rock bottom and I got depressed .. which is seriously not good for my health since I found out I have fibromyalgia on top of APS and Lupus and stress is a major issue now rather than something I can just ignore or push through.

Despite all of that, my brain was still in the game. I plotted, I planned, I wrote and dreamed scenes, I created new lives and then ruthlessly destroyed them or built them pretty little HEA's while swearing they would never turn into a series - because I really need to stop bogging myself down with series -  :angel:  :banana-riding-llama-smiley-em
In the end, I couldn't sleep last night, was running scenes through my head and ended up with the start of a new book I didn't need.  :doh:

Today, however, is the start of a new day. I am finally giving in to have someone come in to help cook and clean, I am spring cleaning to get rid of all the non-essential crap that has somehow made its way into my house, and I should have the privacy and uninterrupted time to write as much as I want from this point forward. So, I guess we will see how I do without all the distractions and exhaustion that comes from all of the above...

And....she's back!!!   :cheers :goodpost:

Good to see you, Pandorra!

lol.. ty dear!

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Just Copyeditors - Annie

Re: Why do good writers stop?
« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2019, 12:26:38 AM »
What a great thread!

I stopped partway through reading it (I will revert and digest the rest after posting this) as I wanted to say that Eugene MacRae made such an important point. Social media can be a blessing or a true-life nightmare, with online bullying often pulling down even the most stalwart of people. It takes but a few comments of a certain type to bring out the mob mentality in some people, and this is one reason I loathe social media and don't use it as an author--although I happily buy paid ads on Facebook for both my authoring and copyediting businesses.

I have seen so many people belittled and bullied online for no reason at all. It's enough to make you pull your presence down overnight. Except, of course, you can't...and that also is a scary thing, that once you're there, you're stuck and immortalised even when you pull down your profile.

So, I also thought social media may have something to do with why some authors stop writing, but I think the main reason may be that the authors pulled out of writing and self-publishing because they believed their writing was no good.

Poor sales or total absence of sales is often mentioned to me when authors put forward series for copyediting, even if their books were edited quite well prior to self-publishing. They make the assumption that the books must be poor, as "nobody's buying them." There can be few things more dispiriting than taking, say, five years producing the first series and then not getting a solitary sale.

I'm sure most writers on here would agree that books being poor is not the natural conclusion to draw when sales are not happening. Poor marketing--or the absence of marketing--is the likely culprit. I receive so many superb books and series for copyediting, yet their sales records are fairly abysmal. (Is there such a thing as 'fairly abysmal'...but it seemed okay at the time!)

I have today come across a writer who sent me forty-six pages to edit, and who said he hadn't sold one copy, but I was blown away by this little book. had he marketed it in a professional manner? Had he invested in it? No. He had written it and uploaded it, and left it to sell itself. Well, of course, it didn't so he was sure he was a useless writer.

Last year, I edited two series that I was sure would sell, but again, the authors didn't invest in any marketing (I mean, they didn't put funds in, or time...and they don't frequent the forums to learn from other authors like yourselves who are way more proficient at the craft). So, both have given up as they never sold a copy...because nobody even knew the books were out there to be purchased.

They are great books and I know that a few ads or even some giveaways would move these series. One of them wrote five books in a series before he put any forward for editing, each book being around 100k words. It was a great achievement and the end result was polished even before being sent to me. But then he uploaded them all at once and just hoped they'd move.

It makes me want to bang my head on the wall when this author and others like him will just assume the books should somehow find their readers with no effort at all beyond writing them. What a waste!

Sometimes, authors do simply disappear--literally. Did everyone see the case of British author Helen Bailey whose YA series was earning her more than a few hundred £k per annum, and then she disappeared? Truly sad. Horrific, in fact.

Annie.