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munboy

A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« on: March 07, 2019, 01:01:25 AM »
This topic has been broached a time or two, but as far as I can tell, there's not a dedicated topic on pricing (if there is, sorry!)

Pricing ebooks is something that eludes me. I've fiddled around with it...moved it up...moved it down. Nothing really seems to have a true impact on sales. I've brought the price up a little here and there from when I first started out, but I'm afraid of pricing myself out of sales, so I don't go too high. There was a book that come out by a trad-pub the other day that I had been looking forward to checking out, but when it came out I went to Amazon to grab the ebook and it was priced at $17.99. I nearly fell out of my seat. That's nearly the price of an on sale hardback at a book store. Needless to say, I clicked off the page without buying the book.

That's what worries me about pricing too high. I don't want to devalue my work, but I also don't want to price myself out of a sale.

So, what is your strategy for pricing?
 

Jeff Tanyard

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 07:14:16 AM »
If it's less than novel-length, then I price it at 99 cents.

If it's a novel, I price at $2.99 minimum.  Longer books merit higher prices.

You might want to price differently by retailer depending on royalty rate, Google's discounting shenanigans, and whatever other wild-card factors happen to pop up.  If all retailers were equal, though, I'd price the same across the board, so that's my "default" position until I have a reason to do otherwise.

Pricing strategies also vary by genre.  A price that works in one genre won't necessarily work in another.  So when you study how other authors are pricing their books, make sure you're looking in the same genre in which you're writing.

I think the "sweet spot," according to Smashwords or somebody, is currently around $3.99/$4.99.  Not sure, though.  And unless those statistics are broken down by genre, which they're often not, they're not of much utility.  Very few generalizations in this biz apply across all genres.  Most of the time, you have to drill down a little more to get useful info.

And ignore trad-pub books altogether, because that's not even an apples-to-oranges comparison so much as it's apples-to-orangutans.  They price their ebooks the way they do because they don't want them to sell.  They're afraid ebook sales will cannibalize print sales.  It's the "windowing" thing.  The most relevant info for indie authors will always come from other indie authors writing in the same genre.

Also, you can have the same price on different retailers but still have different sell-through rates simply because those audiences have different sensibilities.  The people who shop for books on Apple are a different sort from those who prefer Amazon who are a different sort from the Kobo crowd, etc.

Hope that helps.  :)
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 09:08:45 PM »
I'm having trouble with this for sure. I make kids books & graphic comic strips. the page count is not very many but the delivery charge on amazon kdp is high due to the amount of graphics on every page.

i'm trying 2.99 for now.
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Tom Wood

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2019, 11:33:23 PM »
It's been a while since Data Guy (AuthorEarnings) published an update, but these charts from last year are probably still valid. Click image to enlarge.





http://authorearnings.com/report/january-2018-report-us-online-book-sales-q2-q4-2017/

 
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munboy

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2019, 12:55:39 AM »
*snip*

That's pretty interesting. $9-10 seems to be a sweet spot (not taking into account sales numbers in relations to author ranks). Obviously not as much sales as cheaper prices, but the profit makes up for it and some. There's no way I'm ready to get close to that price point, though.

Do you know where he gets this data from? I'm assuming this includes trad-pub ebook as well.
 

notthatamanda

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2019, 01:04:25 AM »
You could look at the top 100 authors in your genre, and sub genres, and get a feel for what those books are selling for.  That will tell you something about what the readers of that genre will tolerate in terms of price.
ETA - I look at the also boughts and sponsored products too.  So not necessarily just what the top authors are selling at.  Should not internet before the coffee hits my brain, sorry.
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Tom Wood

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2019, 01:58:24 AM »
*snip*

That's pretty interesting. $9-10 seems to be a sweet spot (not taking into account sales numbers in relations to author ranks). Obviously not as much sales as cheaper prices, but the profit makes up for it and some. There's no way I'm ready to get close to that price point, though.

Do you know where he gets this data from? I'm assuming this includes trad-pub ebook as well.

I don't know the details of where he gets his data. He may explain it elsewhere on his website. I think he also provides a breakdown of where the indies and trads fall on that price line. The $9.99 price point is dominated by trads, which you can see reflected in the tiny orange portion of the bar that represents KU page reads. Most trads aren't in KU. Notice how large the orange portion is in the $0.99 and $2,99 - $4.99 bars because those are mostly indies.
 
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Jeff Tanyard

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2019, 05:55:05 AM »
That's pretty interesting. $9-10 seems to be a sweet spot (not taking into account sales numbers in relations to author ranks). Obviously not as much sales as cheaper prices, but the profit makes up for it and some. There's no way I'm ready to get close to that price point, though.


If I had to guess, I'd say a lot of those $9.99 ebooks are probably non-fiction and box sets.
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2019, 06:02:44 AM »
I'm having trouble with this for sure. I make kids books & graphic comic strips. the page count is not very many but the delivery charge on amazon kdp is high due to the amount of graphics on every page.

i'm trying 2.99 for now.


Have you tried the 35% royalty bracket?  You might be better off there than in the 70% bracket.  I seem to recall the delivery charges only applying to the 70% bracket, not the 35% one, making the latter a better deal for graphics-heavy books.
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2019, 09:41:46 AM »
I played with the numbers under 35% and 70% and yes I can get it slightly better but it's hard under 2.99 to get much more. Good suggestion though as I might not have noticed.

it's like 1.45 delivery on 2.99 and then some split of the profits. works about to about 1.05 with 70%  and similar even under 35%

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 12:02:17 PM »
it's like 1.45 delivery on 2.99 and then some split of the profits. works about to about 1.05 with 70%  and similar even under 35%

How much have you played around with the quality of the images? Can you get a more compressed image without losing quality? If so, the delivery charge could be lowered.
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 01:12:39 AM »
Indies kind of screwed up e-book pricing right out of the gate. Traditional publishing's prices were consistent with market expectations. The important thing to remember is that a $17.99 price is for the story, the content, not the package. There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy. Sure, there's more profit on the digital version, but that's an internal thing, not a market consideration.

So anyway, when Indies came on the scene, we priced as low as the various distribution channels would allow - thereby changing reader expectations. The reason that pricing is so tough to figure out is because it's an analytical clusterf*ck - the logic circuits have been disconnected. Last I heard, $2.99 was the sweet spot, but that's not due to market considerations, rather it’s because it’s the lowest price we could publish at and still get the 70% royalty rate.

While the reasoning behind it may vary, the unifying philosophy that drives self-publishing pricing has been: how cheap can I go? While lots of Indies have raised their prices over the last couple of years, the majority are still super low, and once the price floor has been met, they add more content to drive the price down even further. Instead of one novel for 99 cents, they do a 10 novel box set, which makes the effective price for each novel a dime.

When we combine nearly a decade of this with ultra-cheap streaming services for music, we end up with an audience that is extremely price-sensitive. The goofy thing is, while some will accept lower quality for the lower price, most still expect a super high-quality product.

At the end of the day, there's very little consistency from genre to genre or even author to author, sometimes not even within the same oeuvre.

 
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2019, 01:45:50 AM »
My answer would be it totally depends on the author's renown and subgenre. Nose around your subgenre and see what the big dogs charge. Can you get away with their prices? Or is there another tier in that subgenre where most authors price?
 
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2019, 02:21:50 AM »
Indies kind of screwed up e-book pricing right out of the gate. Traditional publishing's prices were consistent with market expectations. The important thing to remember is that a $17.99 price is for the story, the content, not the package. There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy. Sure, there's more profit on the digital version, but that's an internal thing, not a market consideration.

So anyway, when Indies came on the scene, we priced as low as the various distribution channels would allow - thereby changing reader expectations. The reason that pricing is so tough to figure out is because it's an analytical clusterf*ck - the logic circuits have been disconnected. Last I heard, $2.99 was the sweet spot, but that's not due to market considerations, rather it’s because it’s the lowest price we could publish at and still get the 70% royalty rate.

While the reasoning behind it may vary, the unifying philosophy that drives self-publishing pricing has been: how cheap can I go? While lots of Indies have raised their prices over the last couple of years, the majority are still super low, and once the price floor has been met, they add more content to drive the price down even further. Instead of one novel for 99 cents, they do a 10 novel box set, which makes the effective price for each novel a dime.

When we combine nearly a decade of this with ultra-cheap streaming services for music, we end up with an audience that is extremely price-sensitive. The goofy thing is, while some will accept lower quality for the lower price, most still expect a super high-quality product.

At the end of the day, there's very little consistency from genre to genre or even author to author, sometimes not even within the same oeuvre.

It would appear you're right about this publisher's thinking that a story is a story no matter what form the reader consumes it. Their hardback price is $17.99 as well, though it is on sale for $13.55. (see below) That makes me wonder why the ebook isn't on sale, too when there is greater profit in it. Wouldn't they want to push ebook sales? Oh well.

I think I have the opposite thinking...not how cheap can I go, but how high can I go. That's just good business thinking. I did .99 for awhile on my older books but put the price back up...there was no discernible change in sales.
 

Tom Wood

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2019, 02:32:15 AM »
Brian Meeks runs a Facebook group that is centered around his book about Amazon Ads. He's a data freak. He's made comments to the effect that higher prices work better for books that are in KU because of the perceived value. Once you've paid your $10/month, would you start at the low end or the high end of prices if 'getting your money's worth' is a consideration? The size of those orange bars in the AuthorEarnings charts at the $2.99-4.99 range seems to support that assertion.
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2019, 03:06:21 AM »
Indies kind of screwed up e-book pricing right out of the gate. Traditional publishing's prices were consistent with market expectations. The important thing to remember is that a $17.99 price is for the story, the content, not the package. There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy. Sure, there's more profit on the digital version, but that's an internal thing, not a market consideration.

So anyway, when Indies came on the scene, we priced as low as the various distribution channels would allow - thereby changing reader expectations. The reason that pricing is so tough to figure out is because it's an analytical clusterf*ck - the logic circuits have been disconnected. Last I heard, $2.99 was the sweet spot, but that's not due to market considerations, rather it’s because it’s the lowest price we could publish at and still get the 70% royalty rate.

While the reasoning behind it may vary, the unifying philosophy that drives self-publishing pricing has been: how cheap can I go? While lots of Indies have raised their prices over the last couple of years, the majority are still super low, and once the price floor has been met, they add more content to drive the price down even further. Instead of one novel for 99 cents, they do a 10 novel box set, which makes the effective price for each novel a dime.

When we combine nearly a decade of this with ultra-cheap streaming services for music, we end up with an audience that is extremely price-sensitive. The goofy thing is, while some will accept lower quality for the lower price, most still expect a super high-quality product.

At the end of the day, there's very little consistency from genre to genre or even author to author, sometimes not even within the same oeuvre.
The problem with using market expectations in this context is that indies didn't have the same kind of product to market in the beginning. Trad pubbed authors at the highest price points were also typically already bestsellers with enormous fan bases. In other words, the market expectation for Jim Bestseller trad author would have to be a lot different than it was for Joe You-Never-Heard-Of-Me indie author. There really wasn't a market expectation for Joe because there was no past history with Joe's kind of brand.

Another thing to consider is that trad published prices are often a reflection of the trads desire to influence consumer behavior in a given way. Documents made public during the collusion suit which Amazon won made it clear that one of the motivations for pricing ebooks high was to slow the adoption of the format. Ebooks, not having the same production costs, could always have been sold more cheaply, but the trads were eager (and still are) to sell as many paper books as possible. By artificially keeping ebook prices high, trads hope to keep the focus on paper. Production costs would normally have influenced retail price to some extent, but trads broke with that model to keep ebooks from getting too popular. Some of that may also have been due to the trads not changing very fast with the times. They weren't quite gutsy enough to just not offer ebooks, but I think many of them would have preferred to do that.

We shouldn't be surprised, because this kind of thing has happened before. When studios wanted to shift consumers from buying VHS tapes to buying DVDs, they started artificially pricing VHS tapes (which were cheaper to manufacture) higher. In some cases, they even resorted to the strategy of pretending to assume that people buying VHS tapes were in fact buyers for rental stores and charging them the rental store price (several times what a VHS tape used to sell for to end consumers). Similarly, when studios wanted to shift people from DVDs to Blu Rays, they often used a combination of pricing the DVD slightly higher and the Blu Ray slightly lower. Now that we have streaming video, prices are virtually always lower than buying the physical media. The "market expectation" principle hasn't been applied in the video field at all. The principle is either what the studios want to sell, or what's cheaper to produce.

What was the result of the trad publishing pricing strategy? At least in the short term, the trad published share of ebook unit sales and revenues fell considerably, leading to the false claim in industry sources that ebooks were losing ground. Ebooks were actually gaining grounds, but trad-pubbed ebooks (disproportionately represented in the stats, which were based only on books with ISBNs) were losing ground.

All of that said, yes, indies have set a lower expectation over time, and that has created problems. I wonder if there was any realistic alternative, though. In earlier years, many indies built careers on strategic use of free days (which trad pubs never did), and even now, a lot of people swear by permafree first-in-series (which trads never do, either). Also, indies made a habit of pricing lower than trads to encourage people to try their books. More established indies with larger fan bases seem not to have to do this as much--they've built a brand already. But how many of them would have a brand if they'd started out with ebooks priced like hardcovers? How many new indies would be able to break in at a higher price point? Authors on this very board have said they won't try new authors unless they can do so cheaply or even for free. A lot of consumers would react in the same way.

We'll never know for sure what might have happened, but I think at the very least self-publishing would have been much slower getting off the ground and that fewer authors would have been able to make a living at it.


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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2019, 02:29:33 AM »
I don't necessarily disagree with your analysis. My point was that back in 2010 or whenever, there was no market expectation as to what a digital version of a book should cost. $1? $5? $10? $20, like a CD? The Big 6, at the time, set prices in between hardcovers and paperbacks. There was no business reason, based on market analysis, for Indies to go as cheap as they did - 99 cents. But, over the years, we've both created and solidified reader expectations, where none existed before.

But as you said, none of that really matters anymore. This is our reality now.
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LeoBrophy

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2019, 03:23:38 AM »
I'm new to this. Couple of years casually trying to figure it out. Went to 2 comic conventions and had a table trying to sell kids books. That was the wrong audience for what i was doing for sure. I've tried to compress the graphics as much as possible without ruining the quality so it's as good as it's going to get. I have sales every month but not very many.

I think a print book is more valuable than an ebook but the point that it's the story and content you are buying resonates with me.

I think it was a good point about the kindle unlimited users might actually then download & read the most expensive books first and probably only. makes sense but name recognition would be a big part of it too.

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2019, 12:23:21 PM »
I published my first book in 2010. Back then, there were no pre-made book covers or freelance editors readily available. Hence, most indie books were not as polished and professional as they are now. Additionally, several of the authors hitting it big (John Locke, Amanda Hockings) found their success at the $0.99 price point. Of course, we all followed suit. Many authors spoke out against this, but most readers weren’t willing to take a chance on an unknown author and spend more than that.
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2019, 02:43:59 PM »
I still believe in 2.99 for the first-in-series (dropping to 99c occasionally for a promo push), and 4.99 for later books in the series. These are all novels of 80k words or more.

I price my Omnibus titles (3 novels + a short) at 7.99, which makes them much better value than individual books. For my nine book series, the first omnibus is permanently priced at 2.99 which makes it a great target for FB/BB/AMS ads. (Obviously I make more with a 2.99 omni at 70% than three 99c titles at 35%, which helps offset the ad costs.)

My middle-grade novels are all 2.99 - they're only 30k words, after all. The omnibus is still 7.99 though.
 
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2019, 11:24:12 AM »
I always price at $2.99 or more and raise the price based on length. I try to get around $0.0033 per word, but some of my books are so long I can't justify it. For example, Death (The Six Elements Book 6) is 240,000 words and $6.99, so I get $0.0029 per word. But raising the price could mean losing out on sales, and around 60% of my readers are in KU. My naturally high KENPCs on multiple books makes up for the discrepancy.

I just released Rise of a Necromancer which is $2.99 and 113,000 words with a 538 KENPC. I thought about setting the price to $3.99 since it's definitely worth that, but I also hope the lower $2.99 entices more people to try it. Because it's an origin story that leads into the beginning of the Six Elements series, I'm hoping to draw readers new to my work who will then move on to the other books. The next origin story will likely be a trilogy, so I'll probably set the prices to something like $2.99 (Book 1), $3.99 (Book 2), $4.99 (Book 3). Eventually I hope to have multiple entry points, all at $2.99. An average KU read of the main series makes me $22 (4816 KENPC), so the lower prices don't bother me.

This post is somewhat rambling nonsense, but to summarize, my first concern is drawing people in while getting the 70% royalty rate. I raise prices corresponding with length, but I'm leery of raising by more than $1 at a time, and I don't want to price myself out of my readership.

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2019, 07:57:29 PM »
Interesting discussion!

Some random thoughts from me.

I'm still learning - less than a year into being self-published.  From my point of view, what your (generic you) aims are, and where you are in your career, also influence pricing.

At the moment my first in series is 0.99 with subsequent books 2.99. I'm also in KU and definitely make more in page reads than sales. 

When setting up my first series, my thinking was that, as a brand new author with no track record, I want to make the "buy" decision as easy as possible.  I have also used the free days in KU, which always generate a good set of downloads (for an unknown author) even without stacking promos, and over time I've seen a slow, steady increase in readers / borrows / sales.

For my next series, which will be a trilogy, I'll probably do the same thing - depending on the length of books 2 and 3 I might consider 3.99.

At this stage in my indie career, I want as many people as possible picking up book 1 and hope that, if I've done my job properly on book 1, a good portion of readers will then want to go on to the rest of the series.

The pricing isn't fixed in stone, though, and I will definitely look at raising prices / playing with different price points over time,  That's the beauty of being in control.

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2019, 10:09:44 PM »
Oh, this just hurts my soul! That a book should sell for .99 or 2.99 - less than your grande latte that you buy every day. The dollar stores aren’t even dollar stores anymore - they’re Five and Below stores in our area now. Even a candy bar doesn’t cost .99.

I know this market is unique unto itself but it doesn’t make it right. My first novel is priced at 4.99 and I think it’s going to stay there except for free promo days. But give me a few months, and I might change my tune.
 
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2019, 11:33:09 PM »
Oh, this just hurts my soul! That a book should sell for .99 or 2.99 - less than your grande latte that you buy every day....I know this market is unique unto itself but it doesn’t make it right.

Yes!  Books don't sell by the page count any more than music sells by the pound.  Pricing ought to be based on the ability of a book to attract and hold a readership through its quality.  Don't price by the page count.  Set the price as high as you think your work deserves and then let readers correct you.
 
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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2019, 11:37:14 PM »
Oh, this just hurts my soul! That a book should sell for .99 or 2.99 - less than your grande latte that you buy every day. The dollar stores aren’t even dollar stores anymore - they’re Five and Below stores in our area now. Even a candy bar doesn’t cost .99.

I know this market is unique unto itself but it doesn’t make it right. My first novel is priced at 4.99 and I think it’s going to stay there except for free promo days. But give me a few months, and I might change my tune.

If it sells at $4.99, then that's wonderful. If for some reason that doesn't work, then you'll play around with pricing until you hit your sweet spot.

I price my books at what people are willing to pay for them. So, yes, I practically give them away. My philosophy is one sale at 99c puts more money in my pocket than no sales at $2.99 or more.

Oh, this just hurts my soul! That a book should sell for .99 or 2.99 - less than your grande latte that you buy every day....I know this market is unique unto itself but it doesn’t make it right.

Yes!  Books don't sell by the page count any more than music sells by the pound.  Pricing ought to be based on the ability of a book to attract and hold a readership through its quality.  Don't price by the page count.  Set the price as high as you think your work deserves and then let readers correct you.

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2019, 11:47:07 PM »
Yes, I get it. I’m not criticizing anyone who prices low and I may decide to do that. I just think it’s not right that authors have to do this.😢

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2019, 08:12:29 AM »
The good news...or bad news, depending on how you look at it, is that the traditional model is slowly imploding, which means that Amazon's self-publishing platform is also slowly imploding. If we step back and take a broad view of self-publishing, it's a clusterf*ck. We're due a major disruption, which means business as usual isn't going to be for much longer. The good news is that monetization opportunities are going to expand, which means that pricing strategies are also going to improve because - my opinion here - this new disruption is going to be one of decentralization. I don't think books are going to continue to be physical things we acquire, or even skeuomorphs (digital files), for much longer. The entertainment industry is rapidly moving from a 'thing' economy to an 'access' economy.

And access strategies kind of necessitate a worthwhile product on the other end of the bridge. And that changes everything.

 

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2019, 10:23:41 AM »
Indies kind of screwed up e-book pricing right out of the gate. Traditional publishing's prices were consistent with market expectations. The important thing to remember is that a $17.99 price is for the story, the content, not the package. There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy. Sure, there's more profit on the digital version, but that's an internal thing, not a market consideration.


Of course there should be a difference.  Physical copies have printing costs that go into it.  Just try pricing your ebook into a print copy through KDP.  The price is much higher to make a profit.
 

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Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2019, 11:59:19 AM »
Indies kind of screwed up e-book pricing right out of the gate. Traditional publishing's prices were consistent with market expectations. The important thing to remember is that a $17.99 price is for the story, the content, not the package. There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy. Sure, there's more profit on the digital version, but that's an internal thing, not a market consideration.


Of course there should be a difference.  Physical copies have printing costs that go into it.  Just try pricing your ebook into a print copy through KDP.  The price is much higher to make a profit.

What you're talking about is a function of operations, efficiencies and supply chains, not market expectations. Profit has next to nothing to do with value. For consumers, the value of a story is the emotional experience, not the packaging it's wrapped in.

 

idontknowyet

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2019, 12:09:25 PM »
I plan on starting my books in KU.
First book .99 
Second 2.99
Third on 3.99

After the series is released in KU, if sales start to peter off I will move that series wide with free first in series across all platforms. That's the plan at the moment.
 

LD

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2019, 06:23:55 PM »
Indies kind of screwed up e-book pricing right out of the gate. Traditional publishing's prices were consistent with market expectations. The important thing to remember is that a $17.99 price is for the story, the content, not the package. There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy. Sure, there's more profit on the digital version, but that's an internal thing, not a market consideration.


Of course there should be a difference.  Physical copies have printing costs that go into it.  Just try pricing your ebook into a print copy through KDP.  The price is much higher to make a profit.

What you're talking about is a function of operations, efficiencies and supply chains, not market expectations. Profit has next to nothing to do with value. For consumers, the value of a story is the emotional experience, not the packaging it's wrapped in.
  You're talking about price, which printing costs have a direct impact on.  "There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy." Printing costs is a big reason.
 

PJ Post

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2019, 11:26:01 PM »
Indies kind of screwed up e-book pricing right out of the gate. Traditional publishing's prices were consistent with market expectations. The important thing to remember is that a $17.99 price is for the story, the content, not the package. There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy. Sure, there's more profit on the digital version, but that's an internal thing, not a market consideration.


Of course there should be a difference.  Physical copies have printing costs that go into it.  Just try pricing your ebook into a print copy through KDP.  The price is much higher to make a profit.

What you're talking about is a function of operations, efficiencies and supply chains, not market expectations. Profit has next to nothing to do with value. For consumers, the value of a story is the emotional experience, not the packaging it's wrapped in.

You're talking about price, which printing costs have a direct impact on.  "There is no reason a digital version should be priced any different than a physical copy." Printing costs is a big reason.

You're still conflating consumer value/expectation with profit.

If a demographic has a track record of paying $x for a product, then there is no reason to lower that price if we change the packaging, even if that new package is significantly less expensive to produce. If the consumer expects $x and has demonstrated their willingness to pay $x, then excess profits should be retained, rather than passing them on to the consumer in the form of lower pricing. The reason being, it's a discount the consumer is unaware of and therefore does not expect, thus eliminating any cognitive dissonance the consumer may feel toward the new packaging. In the case of digital books, the new market attribute was convenience, not a lower price due to more efficient production.

Indies, because there were no barriers to entry, and because e-books have a zero marginal cost, were able to floor pricing because they had no infrastructure to support. But that new zero-cost position had no bearing on consumer expectation vis-à-vis price.

There was no market driven logic to lower prices below what consumers currently expected, which was $15 or so for an e-book - not 99 cents. The new packaging was irrelevant to the consumer’s purchasing decision model, as far as price was concerned.
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LilyBLily

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2019, 12:47:11 AM »
I wasn't here when the prices got driven down, but the logic of charging as much as for a physical book for a mere file to which I would have questionable ownership or access always escaped me and always seemed like a gouge. Given that we don't own more than a license to read these ebooks--one that Amazon has shown itself willing to abrogate as it sees fit, though it did get its hand slapped for pulling content from people's readers--I believe ebooks ought to cost less than a physical book, which we do own and have the legal right to lend or resell or donate as we wish.

That said, I've run far fewer discount campaigns than most indies, and I've definitely pushed the prices up as much as I can based on the genres or subgenres. I haven't found that discounting per se sells the next book and the next book. Writing more than one book that fulfills the reader's expectations of a particular subgenre does, which is why my best-selling books are single titles. 
 
 

PJ Post

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2019, 01:36:17 AM »
I wasn't here when the prices got driven down, but the logic of charging as much as for a physical book for a mere file to which I would have questionable ownership or access always escaped me and always seemed like a gouge. Given that we don't own more than a license to read these ebooks--one that Amazon has shown itself willing to abrogate as it sees fit, though it did get its hand slapped for pulling content from people's readers--I believe ebooks ought to cost less than a physical book, which we do own and have the legal right to lend or resell or donate as we wish.

But, with all due respect, you're coming to this conclusion based on how the pricing played out, that is, retroactively. If e-books had plateaued around $8.99 across the board (Indies and TP), then you'd think that was a reasonable price, just like we accept that $3.99 is an acceptable price for a gallon of milk. Is it? I have no idea, but that's its, more or less, going rate - or value.

The value of something is what we, or some subset of 'we', say it is, which often has absolutely nothing to do with the production or acquisition cost of the thing itself. Is a Starbucks Latte really worth $4? Do we even know its actual cost? Nope. Nevertheless, people all across the world have reached a consensus on the value of a cup of coffee with a dash of steamed milk - $4.

If we look at the production of digital books, they have zero marginal cost, that is, we incur no additional expense for every new copy sold, unlike physical books. So what makes 99 cents or $2.99 an acceptable price point, as opposed to $15, when the actual cost of the product is zero? The point is that there is no specific relationship between value (market price) and production cost.

Manchester by the Sea cost $9 million to make.

Avengers Infinity Wars' budget was over $300 million.

And yet the price, or value, of the movie ticket was exactly the same - very different costs having no impact on price. The same thing goes for e-books. The production costs are irrelevant because the value of the book - or movie - is in its entertainment, which is the experience itself.

 

LilyBLily

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2019, 01:50:32 AM »
I don't agree that my perception of an efile's value has been influenced retroactively, because at the time ebooks got going, I was already busy slinging efiles back and forth across the net, and--although I didn't know about the formatting step at that time--I knew the publishers already had fully edited files, on film and probably by then as efiles, from which they could manufacture an ebook without all the startup costs of an original print book. Their first ebooks were all reprints. Reprints cost a lot less to produce than new content. I've spent much of my career in publishing dealing with reprints, and I come at my thoughts about early and current big publisher pricing from that angle.

It's reasonable that today a publisher might spread the overhead costs to all forms of publication, but remember that sub rights deals don't attempt to recoup the costs of the original print book, either, even though paying an agent to sell them is a new cost involved and paying employees to duplicate or send the files out also has an overhead cost. So, no, $14.99 for an ebook reprint of a book that had already had a life as a hardcover and then as a paperback, or perhaps only one of the two, has never seemed reasonable to me because it's soaking the customer. Indies drove the prices down because at the time they could sell books without editing and with bad formatting and crap covers. Now that our basic costs are higher, we need higher prices to sustain this paradigm. Meanwhile, I'm not crying about the big traditional publishers anytime soon. Especially in the romance field, they've always treated us like sharecroppers.
 

PJ Post

Re: A Dummy's Guide to Pricing
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2019, 02:15:30 AM »
I stand corrected on your background, but that doesn't change my point. Production cost has absolutely nothing to do with consumer value. A consumer is only soaked if they feel soaked. And if prices remain in the consumer's Goldilocks zone, then they won't ever feel that way.

Value is an abstraction.

I don't think $4 for a latte is reasonable, and I certainly don't think $800 for an iPhone is reasonable. What we can glean from this is that I'm not Apple's target demographic, because plenty of other people think $800 for a phone is a good value, even though we kind of know where they're made and just how cheap their production cost really is. So, even though Apple customers know how badly they're getting soaked - they still see value in these high prices.

On the other hand, just like Apple fans, I love Starbucks and don't care what they charge.  :dance: