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KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« on: May 20, 2019, 01:38:55 AM »
I've searched everywhere, but I can't find a list of places where Amazon sends the expanded-distribution paperbacks.  Heck, I've spent the last four days communicating back and forth with Amazon about whether or not they send to B&N (as was the case with Createspace).  Has anyone ever managed to dig up a list?
 

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2019, 06:09:55 AM »
I've only ever seen general statements, but I was wondering about Barnes and Noble also. I put a few books in expanded distribution when I made the shift from CS, but none of them have yet appeared on B & N.

What's especially galling is that B & N still has up the third-party reseller listings from when some of the same books were in expanded distribution long ago.


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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2019, 06:24:51 AM »
I just received this email from Amazon:

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Hope this email finds you well.

Please be informed that paperbacks created in Createspace as well in KDP will appear in B&N.

For the KDP paperbacks to be available on other platforms the book has to enrolled with EDC(Expanded Distribution Channel).

If your books were enrolled in EDC and still not showing up in B&N kindly reply to us with the ISBN number and titles of the book so that we can investigate and assist you accordingly with the right information.

If you also have the direct links of the paperbacks in B&N and if there are not appearing since recent times kindly provide us with the links as well.

If you need any further assistance kindly reply to this email directly so that we can help resolve the issue for you as soon as possible.

Thanks for contacting Amazon KDP.

So that means that all of my paperbacks published through the KDP dashboard are not showing up when they should be (at least those that are older than 8 weeks).  Bravo, Amazon, you idiots.
 

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2019, 09:08:21 AM »
So that means that all of my paperbacks published through the KDP dashboard are not showing up when they should be (at least those that are older than 8 weeks).  Bravo, Amazon, you idiots.

They will only show up in other platforms IF you selected expanded distribution. If you didn't select that, then your paperbacks will ONLY appear on Amazon.
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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2019, 10:32:50 AM »
So that means that all of my paperbacks published through the KDP dashboard are not showing up when they should be (at least those that are older than 8 weeks).  Bravo, Amazon, you idiots.

They will only show up in other platforms IF you selected expanded distribution. If you didn't select that, then your paperbacks will ONLY appear on Amazon.

All are selected as Expanded Distribution and have been published for more than 8 weeks.
 

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2019, 11:12:49 PM »
I've had a few in expanded distribution for months, and they haven't showed up on B & N yet. I guess I'll shoot an email to customer service and see what kind of help they can actually give me.


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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2019, 04:41:45 AM »
After reading this thread I was obliged to go to B & N to check my books  :icon_rolleyes:. They all seem to be there  :banana:. I waited until Amazon moved the books from CS. Did you move them yourself?

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2019, 06:46:40 AM »
After reading this thread I was obliged to go to B & N to check my books  :icon_rolleyes:. They all seem to be there  :banana:. I waited until Amazon moved the books from CS. Did you move them yourself?

When the initial move was announced I used Amazon's transfer process to move the books over to the KDP dashboard.  Those books I created in Createspace are for sale at B&N.  All of the paperbacks I've created through the KDP dashboard are not.
 

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2019, 11:09:15 PM »
After reading this thread I was obliged to go to B & N to check my books  :icon_rolleyes:. They all seem to be there  :banana:. I waited until Amazon moved the books from CS. Did you move them yourself?

When the initial move was announced I used Amazon's transfer process to move the books over to the KDP dashboard.  Those books I created in Createspace are for sale at B&N.  All of the paperbacks I've created through the KDP dashboard are not.

Hmmmm

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2019, 01:41:11 AM »
Well, this came to my inbox this morning:

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Hello,

I've checked the previous conversation and I'm sorry for the incorrect information given earlier.

The decision to order your book lies solely with the individual booksellers and libraries who purchase from these distributors. We can't guarantee the availability of your book with Barnes and Nobles or other retailer distributors.

When you enroll your paperback in Expanded Distribution, we'll make your book available to distributors so booksellers and libraries can find your book and place an order. We currently work with US distributors, but booksellers and libraries outside the US may purchase books from these US distributors.

For more details about Expanded Distribution, check our Help:
https://kdp.amazon.com/help/topic/GQTT4W3T5AYK7L45

Thanks for using Amazon KDP.

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2019, 03:27:27 AM »
Just tossing this out there, but is anyone really surprised that B&N doesn't want KDP Print, or whatever they are using, on their website? Createspace at least had the appearance of not being part of Amazon.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are on B&N were there with Createspace first. Also, how many own their own ISBN. Not 100% sure, but having your own ISBN should negate the KDP Print as publisher?
 

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2019, 04:55:39 AM »
Just tossing this out there, but is anyone really surprised that B&N doesn't want KDP Print, or whatever they are using, on their website? Createspace at least had the appearance of not being part of Amazon.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are on B&N were there with Createspace first. Also, how many own their own ISBN. Not 100% sure, but having your own ISBN should negate the KDP Print as publisher?

Three of my books have my own ISBN (i.e. the previous trad publisher). Four of them have the CS ISBN.

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2019, 05:27:52 AM »
Just tossing this out there, but is anyone really surprised that B&N doesn't want KDP Print, or whatever they are using, on their website? Createspace at least had the appearance of not being part of Amazon.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are on B&N were there with Createspace first. Also, how many own their own ISBN. Not 100% sure, but having your own ISBN should negate the KDP Print as publisher?

I have my own ISBNs for the paperback and hardcover editions of my book under my own name. I published through IngramSpark. Both the hardcover and paperback listed on B&N within a day or so after publishing.
 

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2019, 09:24:12 AM »
Just tossing this out there, but is anyone really surprised that B&N doesn't want KDP Print, or whatever they are using, on their website? Createspace at least had the appearance of not being part of Amazon.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are on B&N were there with Createspace first. Also, how many own their own ISBN. Not 100% sure, but having your own ISBN should negate the KDP Print as publisher?
It's possible that that's B & N's attitude, but Createspace was a wholly owned subsidiary of Amazon, whatever it appeared to be.

I can kind of see why B & N won't take Amazon imprint books, but that was because Amazon wouldn't also let them sell an ebook version--Amazon cutting its throat for the sheer joy of exclusivity. I'd worry that BN had now extended the same idea to indies, except that one of the books not appearing is wide, and the ebook is on sale on BN.

I'd ponder the idea of creating an edition through Nook Press--if I'd ever actually sold any paperbacks on BN. I haven't. The fact that they haven't appeared there is irksome on principle, but for me, it probably wouldn't make any practical difference.


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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2019, 09:46:22 AM »
Just tossing this out there, but is anyone really surprised that B&N doesn't want KDP Print, or whatever they are using, on their website? Createspace at least had the appearance of not being part of Amazon.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are on B&N were there with Createspace first. Also, how many own their own ISBN. Not 100% sure, but having your own ISBN should negate the KDP Print as publisher?
It's possible that that's B & N's attitude, but Createspace was a wholly owned subsidiary of Amazon, whatever it appeared to be.

I can kind of see why B & N won't take Amazon imprint books, but that was because Amazon wouldn't also let them sell an ebook version--Amazon cutting its throat for the sheer joy of exclusivity. I'd worry that BN had now extended the same idea to indies, except that one of the books not appearing is wide, and the ebook is on sale on BN.

I'd ponder the idea of creating an edition through Nook Press--if I'd ever actually sold any paperbacks on BN. I haven't. The fact that they haven't appeared there is irksome on principle, but for me, it probably wouldn't make any practical difference.

Most readers never knew that Createspace was owned by Amazon. They do know what Kindle is and who it belongs to.

I don't know of any business that would happily put a product on sale when said product has its competitor's name on the product description page. It probably doesn't matter if the book is wide or not. What might matter is who owns the ISBN. KDP-Print or Createspace or the author. If this is a case where BN is saying no to KDP-Print because of the name, it's a sound business decision and to not do it would be irresponsible. Their responsibility isn't to an indie publisher, but to their shareholders and giving a competitor real estate on their website, is just bad business.
 

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Re: KDP Paperback Expanded Distribution - list?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2019, 11:48:56 AM »
Just tossing this out there, but is anyone really surprised that B&N doesn't want KDP Print, or whatever they are using, on their website? Createspace at least had the appearance of not being part of Amazon.

I'd be interested to know how many people who are on B&N were there with Createspace first. Also, how many own their own ISBN. Not 100% sure, but having your own ISBN should negate the KDP Print as publisher?
It's possible that that's B & N's attitude, but Createspace was a wholly owned subsidiary of Amazon, whatever it appeared to be.

I can kind of see why B & N won't take Amazon imprint books, but that was because Amazon wouldn't also let them sell an ebook version--Amazon cutting its throat for the sheer joy of exclusivity. I'd worry that BN had now extended the same idea to indies, except that one of the books not appearing is wide, and the ebook is on sale on BN.

I'd ponder the idea of creating an edition through Nook Press--if I'd ever actually sold any paperbacks on BN. I haven't. The fact that they haven't appeared there is irksome on principle, but for me, it probably wouldn't make any practical difference.

Most readers never knew that Createspace was owned by Amazon. They do know what Kindle is and who it belongs to.

I don't know of any business that would happily put a product on sale when said product has its competitor's name on the product description page. It probably doesn't matter if the book is wide or not. What might matter is who owns the ISBN. KDP-Print or Createspace or the author. If this is a case where BN is saying no to KDP-Print because of the name, it's a sound business decision and to not do it would be irresponsible. Their responsibility isn't to an indie publisher, but to their shareholders and giving a competitor real estate on their website, is just bad business.
The argument rests on the idea that KDP paperbacks list KDP as the publisher, which is not the case. Even on Amazon, the KDP paperbacks are listed as "independently published."  I just checked a couple of other outlets, and that's the way KDP paperbacks are listed there are well. And frankly, even if they were listed as KDP, if "Kindle" wasn't spelled out, I'm not sure how many customers would see the connection. Certainly not more than would have recognized Createspace as an Amazon company. Self-published authors certainly recognize KDP in the same way they recognized Createspace. Ordinary customers? Not so much.

Anyway, two of the books I now have in expanded distribution still have their old CS ISBNs, and yes, they're still listed as CS. They're not up on B & N, either.

Not so long ago, B & N would have been happy to stock Amazon imprints if Amazon had let them sell the ebooks as well. Evidently, they weren't worried about giving Amazon real estate then. (Or perhaps that was just an excuse. We'll probably never know for sure.)

Anyway, I'm not seeing how the current pattern supports your thesis. Under these circumstances, it's seems more like B & N being petty rather than trying to protect any legitimate business interest.


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