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Is authorearnings website gone?
« on: June 23, 2019, 02:34:03 AM »
Sorry if this is old news, but I was looking to tell someone some fact about normal tails and wanted to refer to an old authorearning's report, and my browser isn't showing it. This could be a security issue--I have all sorts of extra security measures added on to my browser and there may simply be too many trackers on the site now. Or it could be this happened a year ago and I've taken myself so far out of the gossip loop I missed the news.

Can you still see authorearnings old reports, or not? And if no one can, I'm curious about the gossip (though not desperate for it!) :angel:

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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2019, 03:09:18 AM »
I found this:

https://the-digital-reader.com/2019/03/29/the-end-of-author-earnings-report-redux/

It looks like it's gone.

Thank you for finding that. I used to love it and his wicked and subtle sense of humor. I'm not very involved in talking about the biz any longer (nor about the craft, come to think of it), but it was very useful to me back when, if only for my peace of mind.
 

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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2019, 04:13:36 AM »
It should be archived somewhere--wayback machine?
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2019, 01:03:46 PM »
I’ve accessed the earnings reports via wayback machine before. You may need to find a direct link to the post you’re after though.
 
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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2019, 02:25:42 AM »
I found this:

https://the-digital-reader.com/2019/03/29/the-end-of-author-earnings-report-redux/

It looks like it's gone.

Thank you for finding that. I used to love it and his wicked and subtle sense of humor. I'm not very involved in talking about the biz any longer (nor about the craft, come to think of it), but it was very useful to me back when, if only for my peace of mind.
It was a very important corrective to industry figures that far underestimated the number of ebook sales and the degree of indie success. It had reached the point where even some mainstream journalists were acknowledging there was more to the picture than the industry sales figures. Now that there is no publicly available alternative source for figures, I suppose we'll be totally dependent on the misreporting again.


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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2019, 04:08:27 AM »
My understanding is that he worked with Spacely Sprockets to monetized his data a couple of years ago, which, of course, ended Indie access. The problem with this was the fact that he used Indie data and lots of Indie help to build his algorithms. There was a bit of a brouhaha about it at the time.

eta: the whole AE thing was started by, or with, Hugh Howey. I'm not sure if he is still involved with the project or not.

eta2:

Here's an article about it: https://thenewpublishingstandard.com/data-guys-author-earnings-report-finally-laid-rest/
Here's the January 2018 report via Wayback.
And here's the new corporate site: Bookstat
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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2019, 05:57:55 AM »
My understanding is that he worked with Spacely Sprockets to monetized his data a couple of years ago, which, of course, ended Indie access. The problem with this was the fact that he used Indie data and lots of Indie help to build his algorithms. There was a bit of a brouhaha about it at the time.

eta: the whole AE thing was started by, or with, Hugh Howey. I'm not sure if he is still involved with the project or not.

eta2:

Here's an article about it: https://thenewpublishingstandard.com/data-guys-author-earnings-report-finally-laid-rest/
Here's the January 2018 report via Wayback.
And here's the new corporate site: Bookstat
I don't think any of us really need anywhere near the amount of data probably available through the Bookstat subscription. I don't need to know how much an indiviudal book is selling, for example, or how many pre-orders another book has, or how much a particular author is making. I'd have been perfectly happy with general sales figures (retailer percentages, genre percentages, etc.) It's too bad Data Guy didn't make arrangements to continue providing that kind of general data. As I said, it's a useful corrective to industry figures that omit any book without an ISBN (and therefore the bulk of indie ebooks) from the stats.

Or maybe he did. His Nebula Award presentation did provide some info, at least for fantasy and science fiction. It's possible we might see at least a little general data over time.

I thought it was interesting that the author of the article you linked thinks all his stats are garbage. I was particularly interested in the assertion that the last Author Earning Report differed substantially from information available on Bookstat. Does this guy have a subscription? Because I checked out Bookstat when it first opened, and there wasn't much in the way of publicly accessible data available on it. There was a little bit about how much of the market was covered by other services, and that's still there. But I never saw anything even remotely approaching the specificity of what the author claims to have seen.


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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2019, 06:14:34 AM »
I just skimmed the article - informational links do not necessarily indicate endorsement.  grint

It's not so much a matter of needing the full Bookstat analysis boat, it's that in pursuing corporate clients, he cut Indies out of the loop, making the data inaccessible.

Becasue, yeah, I totally agree with you. AE was an invaluable publishing tool, for a variety of reasons. It sucks that it's gone, then again, it was free. How the whole Bookstat thing went down was pretty wonky, but I can't fault a guy for making money on his hard work and cleverness.

 

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2019, 07:12:32 AM »
I don't think any of us really need anywhere near the amount of data probably available through the Bookstat subscription. I don't need to know how much an indiviudal book is selling, for example, or how many pre-orders another book has, or how much a particular author is making. I'd have been perfectly happy with general sales figures (retailer percentages, genre percentages, etc.) It's too bad Data Guy didn't make arrangements to continue providing that kind of general data. As I said, it's a useful corrective to industry figures that omit any book without an ISBN (and therefore the bulk of indie ebooks) from the stats.

Or maybe he did. His Nebula Award presentation did provide some info, at least for fantasy and science fiction. It's possible we might see at least a little general data over time.

I thought it was interesting that the author of the article you linked thinks all his stats are garbage. I was particularly interested in the assertion that the last Author Earning Report differed substantially from information available on Bookstat. Does this guy have a subscription? Because I checked out Bookstat when it first opened, and there wasn't much in the way of publicly accessible data available on it. There was a little bit about how much of the market was covered by other services, and that's still there. But I never saw anything even remotely approaching the specificity of what the author claims to have seen.
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I'm sure his numbers were off by 10-20%+, but I would still pay a small fee for access to more generalized data. I don't care about the exact names and numbers but I'd love to know how much money the top 50, 100, 200, etc authors are making, how many authors are making six figures in general and in my genre, how much A-list author is really making, give or take (okay, I kinda do want the names, but I'd much prefer the numbers).

It's not super useful data, exactly. But it could help inform some of my decisions and help me set more realistic goals. I get the feeling he's asking a lot for it--four or five figures. I'd pay $100 for a report--maybe a few hundred, if it was more detailed. I don't get a lot out of Klytics reports. They tell me stuff I already know, but I can see them being useful for newer writers or people moving into new genres.
 

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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2019, 07:12:24 AM »
I just skimmed the article - informational links do not necessarily indicate endorsement.  grint

It's not so much a matter of needing the full Bookstat analysis boat, it's that in pursuing corporate clients, he cut Indies out of the loop, making the data inaccessible.

Becasue, yeah, I totally agree with you. AE was an invaluable publishing tool, for a variety of reasons. It sucks that it's gone, then again, it was free. How the whole Bookstat thing went down was pretty wonky, but I can't fault a guy for making money on his hard work and cleverness.
I didn't think you endorsed the article. I was responding to what seemed like bias in it, not assuming that you necessarily shared that bias.

And yes, I think we're all irked by the indies getting cut out--especially when he couldn't have gotten off the ground without data from other indies.


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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2019, 07:15:36 AM »
I don't think any of us really need anywhere near the amount of data probably available through the Bookstat subscription. I don't need to know how much an indiviudal book is selling, for example, or how many pre-orders another book has, or how much a particular author is making. I'd have been perfectly happy with general sales figures (retailer percentages, genre percentages, etc.) It's too bad Data Guy didn't make arrangements to continue providing that kind of general data. As I said, it's a useful corrective to industry figures that omit any book without an ISBN (and therefore the bulk of indie ebooks) from the stats.

Or maybe he did. His Nebula Award presentation did provide some info, at least for fantasy and science fiction. It's possible we might see at least a little general data over time.

I thought it was interesting that the author of the article you linked thinks all his stats are garbage. I was particularly interested in the assertion that the last Author Earning Report differed substantially from information available on Bookstat. Does this guy have a subscription? Because I checked out Bookstat when it first opened, and there wasn't much in the way of publicly accessible data available on it. There was a little bit about how much of the market was covered by other services, and that's still there. But I never saw anything even remotely approaching the specificity of what the author claims to have seen.
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I'm sure his numbers were off by 10-20%+, but I would still pay a small fee for access to more generalized data. I don't care about the exact names and numbers but I'd love to know how much money the top 50, 100, 200, etc authors are making, how many authors are making six figures in general and in my genre, how much A-list author is really making, give or take (okay, I kinda do want the names, but I'd much prefer the numbers).

It's not super useful data, exactly. But it could help inform some of my decisions and help me set more realistic goals. I get the feeling he's asking a lot for it--four or five figures. I'd pay $100 for a report--maybe a few hundred, if it was more detailed. I don't get a lot out of Klytics reports. They tell me stuff I already know, but I can see them being useful for newer writers or people moving into new genres.
Yes, you're about where I am. I'd pay a certain amount for some of the big-picture data. He said something in his Nebula presentation about wanting to find a way to make some data available to indies, so maybe it will happen eventually.

Knowing approximately how much an average indie makes, how incomes vary by genre, etc. would be good for goal-setting. I'm sure the large publishers, with the ability to drill down to individual authors and books, are getting a whole lot more data for the hefty fees they pay. It would be nice if we could get some small part of that for a reasonable price.
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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2019, 09:33:43 AM »
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. . . it's a useful corrective to industry figures that omit any book without an ISBN


The way to get more accurate figures would be for indies to start using their own ISBN, even for ebooks.
 

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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2019, 03:23:32 AM »
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. . . it's a useful corrective to industry figures that omit any book without an ISBN


The way to get more accurate figures would be for indies to start using their own ISBN, even for ebooks.
Sure, but that does cost money. As indie authors collectively, the data is beneficial to us, but as an individual indie author, especially a newbie with a very limited budget, it's hard to justify the extra expense.

And yes, I know that buying in bulk reduces the cost considerably, but that's also hard for newbies, most of whom have no idea whether they'll ever use a hundred ISBNs or not. I've been at this for several years, but I'm not sure exactly how many more books I'm going to write.


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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2019, 02:26:41 PM »
That's a real shame - I enjoyed those reports, and we could always use more info :( Thanks for the low-down.


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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2019, 04:24:02 PM »
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. . . it's a useful corrective to industry figures that omit any book without an ISBN

No, it isn't. It's an agenda based cop out to supply the figures the trads want published. And to omit what they dont want the general public to know.

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The way to get more accurate figures would be for indies to start using their own ISBN, even for ebooks.

No. But it would help if Amazon started assigning ISBN's to eBooks the same way Createspace was doing so when you didn't have one for a print book.

But Amazon are not going to do it, because they don't want any sales figures in public.

A few percent of authors doing it wont change anything.

And if you're going to make that kind of statement about what authors should do, it needs to be accompanied by "I already do."
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Re: Is authorearnings website gone?
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2019, 12:04:00 AM »
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. . . it's a useful corrective to industry figures that omit any book without an ISBN

No, it isn't. It's an agenda based cop out to supply the figures the trads want published. And to omit what they dont want the general public to know.

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The way to get more accurate figures would be for indies to start using their own ISBN, even for ebooks.

No. But it would help if Amazon started assigning ISBN's to eBooks the same way Createspace was doing so when you didn't have one for a print book.

But Amazon are not going to do it, because they don't want any sales figures in public.

A few percent of authors doing it wont change anything.

And if you're going to make that kind of statement about what authors should do, it needs to be accompanied by "I already do."
I won't deny that the traditional industry sources for statistics are pro-trad pub--that's all there was when they started. But that's also probably why they only count books with ISBNs. In the old days, that was all books. They didn't change to accommodate self-publishing, but that may be inertia more than bias.

Similarly, it's true Amazon doesn't like to publish its own sales figures, but I think the reason it doesn't provide ISBNs for ebooks is that ISBNs cost money. True, Amazon buys in enormous bulk, so their prices must be minimal, but I can easily see an accountant saying, "We use ASINs to identify ebooks, just the way we do to identify other products. What do we need an ISBN for?" Keep in mind this is the company that won't hire a few human being to properly police KDP.

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