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Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« on: February 17, 2022, 02:33:16 PM »
Kinda surprised nobody has posted about the great adaptation of uber-successful author Lee Child's books on the Zon.
The new show is called Reacher and it's a vastly more faithful adaptation than the Tom Cruise movies (which were entertaining but were not Jack Reacher). The Zon series takes one book as the source material for each season. The first season is based on Child's "Killing Floor". It's excellent  :tup3b


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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2022, 10:26:35 PM »
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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2022, 04:30:29 AM »
Good timing. Just finished it last night.

lt's fine I guess.

It's a step up from the Tom Cruise movies. A season per book is a great choice and they've done a solid adaptation of the plot of Killing Floor. Introducing Neagley early was another solid decision to get at least one recurring character other than Reacher.

But as Reacher would say "details matter" and it doesn't fare well.

SPOILERS from here on out.

Reacher feels more like the Andrew Child version than the Lee Child version. (Not a compliment, even though some of that would be inevitable from the change in medium.) He's too chatty, too wink-and-a-smile. Not the matter of fact force of nature from the books. I don't mind Ritchman at all, he's solid, but I wish they would have willfully made him more rough around the edges and not just another mugging for the camera The Rock clone prettyboy. The book Reacher wears the same grubby blue-collar clothes for a week, and doesn't own a comb. The TV Reacher apparently finds tailored t-shirts on the rack (and in donation bins!) and carries around some mousse and a blow-dryer.

Neagley is similarly softened. She's all business and respect in the books. She's all affection in the show. I prefer the variety of having them being hard people doing hard things and contrasting with the civilians like Finley and Roscoe. Instead we get blushing "he's so Reacher!" commentary with a sigh. Yuck.

I wish they'd changed the "I know what motel any person will pick" nonsense from the books. I was so happy when they gaslighted it with Neagley, but then they went right back to the well with the accountant.

The pool fight was awful. Reacher has a very particular style of fights and they nailed it earlier in the series and went to straight TV fights down the stretch. Oddly, Reacher was both too superhuman and not superhuman enough here. Multiple crowbars to the forearms break arms, and to the face crush skulls. Even Reacher's. Reacher never should have been in the situation of getting pummeled like that because his superhuman fighting skills should have made quick work of this guy even if there was some initial obstacle. They showed us this earlier in the season in the prison fight. Then they "forgot".

The bad guys all going full bond-villain monologue in the final two episodes was annoying.

"Expert marksman" not even knowing how to hold a rifle correctly threw me out of the climactic scene. Why did no one fix this on set?

All this kind of stuff made it "just another TV show" rather than something different and special (like the books) that they were quite close to achieving.

ETA: Super-nitpicky but I wish they would have done a more consistent job of casting shorter people for supporting parts so Reacher would look huge. It kind of breaks the illusion when Lee Child makes a cameo and towers over Reacher. :P
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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2022, 07:55:59 AM »
For two-fistedness, Child's Reacher is a peanut compared to Stark's Parker plus this major diff in the books - every Parker tale is fresh, every Reacher story is the same:  he hitchhikes into town, beats up everyone, is offended by the villain, beats up everyone again, hitchhikes out of town.  That's why I lost interest in the Reacher novels but reread Parker.  As for the series, it's just as preposterous and technically inept as most Hollywood thrillers.  But Ritchson is fun even if he is a little guy.
 

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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2022, 10:11:51 AM »
But Ritchson is fun even if he is a little guy.


6'2" is little?  I know the character is supposed to be a huge dude, and maybe Ritchson isn't as big as the character, but he's no munchkin.

I agree on the "fun" part, though.  I watched Blue Mountain State back in the day.  Vulgar as hell, but hilarious.   :ices_angel_g:


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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2022, 11:40:36 AM »
I've been tempted to watch this. I've read most of Lee Child and I like his attitude of "the hero should not get beat up or be down, like, ever." Too bad the TV adaptation wants to suggest otherwise because I enjoy Reacher as a kind of superhero.

As for height, these days 6'2" is not impressive anywhere in the U.S. outside of the areas (mostly the big coastal cities) that have so many underfed recent immigrant populations. This is supposedly because all the growth hormones in fast food hamburgers (and the meat itself) made men much taller than they used to be. The proof is in old photos of my grandfather, who at 6'0" towered over all his acquaintance circa 1930. Time and again, he appeared to be a giant. My mother inherited some of his height and towered over all her female classmates and was still towering over men in some Mediterranean countries into the 1970s--but not as the 20th century progressed in the U.S. Better fed people got bigger in all directions.
Anyway, these days "really tall" is more like 6'7" in the U.S.

Supposedly Alan Ladd was pint-sized and stood on a box to film key scenes. They could do the same thing for this actor.   
 

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2022, 05:02:38 AM »
As for height, these days 6'2" is not impressive anywhere in the U.S. outside of the areas (mostly the big coastal cities) that have so many underfed recent immigrant populations. This is supposedly because all the growth hormones in fast food hamburgers (and the meat itself) made men much taller than they used to be. The proof is in old photos of my grandfather, who at 6'0" towered over all his acquaintance circa 1930. Time and again, he appeared to be a giant. My mother inherited some of his height and towered over all her female classmates and was still towering over men in some Mediterranean countries into the 1970s--but not as the 20th century progressed in the U.S. Better fed people got bigger in all directions.
Anyway, these days "really tall" is more like 6'7" in the U.S.

As a shrimpy five-footer, I object to this evolutionary trend! The world is tall. Everyone is tall! I hate coming "eye to eye" with some dude's belly button, and in this tall new world I sometimes feel like a toy poodle surrounded by great danes. LOL

To get back on topic, I have yet to read a Reacher book but I really should. Thrillers are fun, and I don't need every protagonist to be the vulnerable type. Sometimes you just want to watch an ass-kicker do their thing.

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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2022, 05:12:48 AM »
I liked the movies a lot. Then I read one of the books because I figured I would like them. Realized I liked the movies better than the books. Haven't read any more of the books. :)

I doubt I would like the series, just based on j tanner's comments. A lot of those are the kinds of things that really disappoint me in a series.
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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2022, 06:00:43 AM »
I watched a podcast interview with the actor (Inside of You), and filming the first season nearly killed the guy. Between the physical feats and the insane schedule (they had him filming 6 days a week, with 2 crews, only because he refused to do 7 days a week), plus medication he was on for injuries, poor guy had a rough time. I had to laugh when he said the hair and makeup crew would give him heck for being sweaty... because he was out in the parking lot learning fight choreography in between takes.
 

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2022, 07:44:10 AM »
I found some of the books tough to take. The cruelty and horribleness of people. Random deaths of good people. Not wonderful. However, there also was a love of people that pervaded the books, too, a sympathy and understanding of them, and a camaraderie. Also, I really do like action stories in which the good guys beat up the bad guys. It's perhaps a base instinct, but there it is.
 

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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2022, 10:09:16 AM »
I liked the movies a lot. Then I read one of the books because I figured I would like them. Realized I liked the movies better than the books. Haven't read any more of the books. :)

The first movie is fine as a Tom Cruise action movie. What it isn't, is a Reacher movie. There's almost nothing in there that captures what makes the books unique or interesting for those who like them.
 
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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2022, 12:57:01 PM »

The pool fight was awful. Reacher has a very particular style of fights and they nailed it earlier in the series and went to straight TV fights down the stretch. Oddly, Reacher was both too superhuman and not superhuman enough here. Multiple crowbars to the forearms break arms, and to the face crush skulls. Even Reacher's. Reacher never should have been in the situation of getting pummeled like that because his superhuman fighting skills should have made quick work of this guy even if there was some initial obstacle. They showed us this earlier in the season in the prison fight. Then they "forgot".


Can't argue with the criticisms 🤷‍♂️ just most of the things mentioned didn't affect my enjoyment. What did bug me, however, was the fight choreography as mentioned above.☝️ I've been in martial arts since I was 12 and have black belts in multiple arts; and, while I've long ago learned that hollywood mostly sucks at fight choreography, when you get a surprising dash of the exception only to have it then revert to the usual it is kinda disappointing.
The first fight in the prison locker/shower facility was great. 👍 One of the best choreographed multiple-assailant fights I've seen on film or tv given the premise of the character's abilities. After that, the fight choreography frequently (though not always) disappointed. I completely agree that the house/pool fight was really forked up.

Lee Child is a towering but gangly 6'4" and, yeah, it was noticeable in his cameo pass alongside Reacher. Oh well. Maybe Richson can wear some Tom Cruise style platform shoes next season... 😏

Still a really good show though 😁
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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2022, 05:28:15 AM »
I liked the movies a lot. Then I read one of the books because I figured I would like them. Realized I liked the movies better than the books. Haven't read any more of the books. :)

The first movie is fine as a Tom Cruise action movie. What it isn't, is a Reacher movie. There's almost nothing in there that captures what makes the books unique or interesting for those who like them.

Makes sense. My mom complained about Reacher not being Reacher in the movie. :D
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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2022, 07:59:19 AM »
Hollywood has, for a long time, had this need to "even up" the good guys and bad guys in fights. It's why I loved the fights early in the Reacher series where Jack was properly portrayed as a force of nature who always had the advantage, and then wound up disappointed later with that aforementioned pool scene, and a couple of others where average sized local yokels are somehow supposed to be a match for a behemoth who used to beat up special forces types on the regular. I somehow knew they were going to do that, as though audiences need some form of suspense over whether or not Reacher's going to win? No, we don't need that. Let Reacher win every fight handily. It's fun. Why do you think the books are so beloved? Whatever.

As far as Reacher's gritty lifestyle, appearance, and the overall look and feel of the show/sets, etc goes - I think you can chalk that up to set decoration/production design which is likely at the mercy of wherever in the world they happen to be filming in terms of what film/tv production companies are based in those specific geographic locations, i.e. what local options production studios have in terms of hiring to set/wardrobe/dress a show or film.

In Reacher's case, it's filmed in Toronto, and as a Canadian who used to work in the industry - having been on many film/tv sets in this country - I can tell you first-hand we are generally pretty awful at set decoration when compared with the work done in the U.S. in terms of believability, overall look and feel.

Watch any handful of shows filmed in Toronto or Vancouver, you'll notice almost all of them look wayyy too clean and inauthentic to the setting they're attempting to portray. Why? Because typically the crews working on Canadian shoots are Canadian-based and hired to cut costs, or because they had to be hired locally in order to adhere to government mandates. Because of this, you wind up with people doing those jobs who simply aren't as good.

Most REALLY talented Canadians in the specialty areas of film/tv leave and go to the U.S. anyway (I'm talking the top of the top talents), so they're no longer in Toronto or Vancouver, but based out of LA or NY or Atlanta, and thus too expensive to employ. So, you wind up shooting in Canada, forced to employ inferior, cheaper talent, and you wind up with a lack of verisimilitude as one of the by-products because they don't have the eye, the skill, the know-how the really talented individuals in those fields have.

And, it takes a lot of teamwork to really pull off a movie or show, every department has to pull its weight, and it doesn't always happen. Set decoration, costuming, production design, etc, they're all part of that, and are often overlooked or not thought of by audiences. Often it's a feeling, a sense you get while watching the show or film, a sense that something isn't quite right.

Reacher is enjoyable enough, but yeah, you could tell right away when you saw shots of the supposed small town in Georgia that you were dealing with a Canadian shoot. Heck, watch episodes of Reacher, and then watch episodes of True Detective shot in Louisiana or Arkansas... BIIIIGGG difference. It's not by accident. HBO spends real money shooting on-location, and it shows - the authenticity is something that's really difficult to fake. Again, you've got to be really talented to pull that off, and if you're really that talented that you can do it, you wind up costing more than some studios want to pay.

Yes, Amazon has the dough to make Reacher look just as gritty and real as True Detective, but greed is as greed does, and who needs verisimilitude when you can rake in those sweet north of the border tax credits? Sure, it means governments in Canada are making you hire people who couldn't get a whiff in Hollywood as set decorators and production designers if they tried, but meh, as long as enough of the audience is willing to give you a pass by watching your product, what do you care, right?

Truth be told, Canada just doesn't have the population numbers to compete talent-wise with the Americans in all manner of areas, including in film and television production. But, unfortunately, the way union rules work as well government tax incentives, almost any production coming to Canada to film is forced to hire 'x' number of Canadians to work on said projects as I'd said, so you wind up with a lot of Canadian production companies and lesser talents working in areas their American counterparts would do a much better job on, simply because if you're a professional set designer in the States, you have to climb over a LOT more people within your own country to get that job than you would in Canada with one-tenth the population vying for a similar amount of positions. It's a numbers game.

All of that to say, for many shows filmed in Canada you're going to find your suspension of disbelief a little (or sometimes, a lot) more tested than if done by a much more experienced, and generally much more talented (and expensive) American crew.

And, for any fellow Canadians who may read this, and get their backs up about what I've said, keep in mind I'm not saying being Canadian makes one necessarily less talented in any given field. Of course, we're talking about human beings, and talent doesn't just magically follow geography, obviously that's not how it works inherently speaking. What I'm saying is, it's just that many Canadians who CAN compete talent-wise with their American counterparts wind up leaving Canada and going south for the better payday, because... why wouldn't you, if you have that kind of talent that you can compete in the much bigger pool? We've seen it time and again across multiple sectors, and not just in entertainment.

But, back to the show... I'm hoping for Season 2 of Reacher they either move production to wherever the second book actually takes place - shooting on-location, what a concept - or they pay the penalties, etc to bring in specialists in the various production fields to improve the overall look of the show and grime it up, instead of the ultra-clean CW look they wound up with in Season 1.

No, I'm not holding my breath on either count. It's funny, they crushed a dude's head in a press, and featured a fully naked guy crucified to a wall, plus fully displayed other flights of violent fancy in the show, and yet the small town Georgia diner appeared so clean you could practically eat off the floor? Give me a break. I mean, c'mon, even the supposedly 'best pie in all of Georgia' looked like it came out of the frozen section of a Toronto Loblaws. (Canadian grocery chain, in case you're wondering)

I guess after having written that diatribe, now might be a strange time to point out... I actually quite enjoyed the show overall. lol.  :shrug
 
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Re: Lee Child Adaptation - Reacher on the Zon
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2022, 10:04:48 AM »
I'll tell you what kicked me out of the otherwise enjoyable story... Neagley. Not the right actress to begin with. Not the right portrayal. And worst of all, that combat shirt she was wearing was an old Canadian Army OD Green combat shirt from pre-2002. Not only does it have no resemblance to the US Army version, the only people who wear new-looking OD Green combat shirts nowadays in Canada are Army surplus store rats buying new "old" stock or reproductions. I know of one Cold War re-enactor group who wears those, otherwise, no veteran would be seen dead in that thing. I should know. I was first issued that style of combat shirt in the late 1970s and turned it in for the disruptive pattern decades later.
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2022, 03:14:21 AM »
This old article on Lee Child shows he's a pantser (what else?) despite his TV background and (best advice) "Lee Child writes his books as if he were the reader not the writer."

https://theconversation.com/the-man-with-no-plot-how-i-watched-lee-child-write-a-jack-reacher-novel-51220
 
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2022, 12:34:54 PM »
I loved it.  Great series.