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The Bass Bagwhan

What is the best way to give away free books now?
« on: December 29, 2023, 09:11:59 PM »
I'm struggling to get traction for my new release, in the red with Facebook ads and wary of an AMS campaign (I've never gotten them to work, whereas FB is profitable for some of my books). I'm starting to consider that the lack of ratings and reviews is an obstacle and that it's worth perhaps doing a free giveaway in conjunction with KDPs promotional plans. I want to try and generate some readers, ratings and (hopefully) a few reviews.
Are any of the sites like Freebooksy useful anymore? I know that a zillion variables can make such a strategy worthless, but I'm happy to throw some money at the exercise to see if there is merit in the idea.
Thanks for any advice.
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alhawke

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2023, 01:40:29 AM »
Here's a few thoughts. You're trying to sell a new release during a very busy difficult time. Smashwords has a discount sale involving thousands of Indie books. Zoebub just had a sale for free books on Dec 27th--this sale involves upwards of 1000 free books promoted by authors together. You heard that right, 1000 books. My recent Bookbub promo ran during the last Zoebub and its results were a 3/4 of the usual sales. I've scaled back my marketing so as not to compete with this glut of Indie giveaways this week. Interestingly, I had a bump in sales anyway on the 27th--I'm wondering if some books were sold from "also boughts" during the freebie promos?

So Zoebub is an option for you in four months (I think they run every 4mos?). I'm not participating because I've found free book promotions are becoming less and less worth it to me. I had one free promo last year giving away 6k books. I totally regret it. There was little tail and I'm not even sure if I got any reviews. I've had other freebies that are more successful, but I'm focusing more on series leads and priced books.

It'll be interesting to see how Zoebub fares in the future. The problem is it's just throwing a ton of books out there for readers for free. And pretty soon, it'll just be the same books. Or maybe not? I don't know. There's also no curating like by BookBub. But, for now, I'm seeing a lot of books hitting the top 100s so this marketing approach looks fresh and new.

Regarding reviews, I would try to get 4. You might want to consider Booksprout for honest reviews. Realize this could backfire and you could get bad reviews. But I haven't sold many new release books at zero reviews. I suspect even my readers prefer to see some social proof.

Finally, I wanted to check out your other books on Amazon but you don't have an author page. I'd set that up on Amazon.

As far as advertising, I use BookBub ads. BookBub even featured me on their blog last month. It's how I sell books wide, but many authors don't have as much success with BB ads.
 

PJ Post

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2023, 02:06:58 AM »
I know I keep saying this, but here I go again...

Selling individual books is incredibly difficult due to the sheer volume of titles out there (everything has changed over the last few years and the old ways just don't work anymore - it's so bad we need special strategies just to give our hard work away), but selling a brand is much easier because there is only one of you. You are non-fungible. The future is about branding and embracing all of the platforms that allow us to leverage that brand. Giveaways and discounts are the old ways - the Push strategy - screaming "buy my book!!" into the void. We are now squarely in the middle of a Pull-centric demographic. Readers are looking for authors, for something different, fans looking for champions. Let them know where you are.

It's just that simple.

 

RiverRun

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2023, 03:06:47 AM »
A few years ago I was able to get some early reviews for free thru a Librarything giveaway. Worked for my mystery but not a Christian Romance. Worth a try. I was also just looking at Hidden Gems book review service which seems affordably priced. I know nothing else about it.

There is also something called Book Adrenaline, which is like Freebooksy but tailored to thriller/mystery. No experience there either. I found it in Nicholas Erik's page. https://nicholaserik.com/promo-sites/

I read about these things but am not yet brave enough to try it:)
 

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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2023, 03:07:19 AM »
Don't do free unless it is in exchange for signing up on your mailing list.

What percentage of people who download a free book will later purchase another book from that author?  If I recall, the vast majority of people that download a free book do not become buyers.  They are just looking for free books to read.

Studies have shown that, contrary to what you might think, people value something they paid for more than they got for free.  The common "wisdom" is that people are more likely to complain about something they paid for if it disappointed them in any way.  But, while there are people that do that (as well as people that will complain about free stuff), the more common reaction is for people to justify their expenditure by highlighting what they liked.  Plus, there is the social proof in that if you buy a book and say you liked it and several other people buy the book and say they liked it too, well, that further proves you have good taste, right?  And if people are more likely to praise something they bought than something they got for free, that's a series of wins for the you as the author in the case of a book.

Another way of looking at it is to pretend you're an illegal drug dealer.  Yes, some dealers will give someone a free sample because there are certain drugs that are addictive from the first use.  So, they know you will be back for more and that you'll pay whatever for your next fix.  Cha-ching!

Okay, books are not as addictive as drugs.  You can pretend you have the most addictive book series ever--and maybe you do--but books are probably never going to be as addictive as drugs unless they're paperbacks and the pages are dusted with drugs and you get a contact high every time you read a book.

But, never mind all that.  Let's go back to you as an illegal drug dealer.  Now, the reason you gave a free sample was because you knew they would be back for more.  Plus, again, what you're doing is illegal so where else is the person you gave a freebie to going to go?  Someone else might be an undercover cop and they want their fix not to go to jail.  So, more likely than not, they are going to come back to you.  Again, cha-ching!

Now, let's say drugs are legalized.  Yay for you, you think.  More customers!  But, also, more competition.  Now, there's a dealer on every street corner.  But, you continue giving free samples.  Your competitors do the same.  However, now the addict has more options.  He doesn't have to come back to you to buy drugs.  He can get his fix by getting a freebie from one of your competitors.  And, since there are so many competitors, he can keep going from one to another, never paying for any drugs, but still getting his fix.

But your drugs are better?  Safer?  More effective?  Yeah, but, you know, they're free from the other guy.

Again, we are talking about highly addictive drugs and if free isn't going to work to bring customers back to you for that, do you really expect it to be an effective strategy for getting people to buy your books which are far less addictive?

Maybe it worked years ago when there was far less competition but now?
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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2023, 03:09:18 AM »
As an aside, if you sell direct from your website, there are other ways of making free work.  "Buy one book, get one free!"  That's a good sales tactic.  Try doing that on Amazon.   :icon_rofl:
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Lorri Moulton

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2023, 03:45:13 AM »
ZoeBub is romance I believe, and according to the Facebook ads it was 2k books.  I had a few free books and did well without being in that promo.

For something not romance, maybe a BookFunnel author swap?  Either sales (they do KU) or free/newsletter signups are supposed to still work.

The challenge is to get anyone to READ the book after they download it.  If they download it.  The TBR piles are huge and these promos are making them that much larger.

If you need reviews, I've done well with Facebook parties and reader groups.  Readers can be pretty nice about giving a review without being asked if they win a free book or if you have a free day in their group, etc.

Finding a group for your genre might be a challenge, but there are many out there. Finding one with readers and not all authors promoting their books might be more of a challenge.

The "Wide" strategy put a bunch of free books out there.  Especially FISF (first in series free), so readers have plenty of free books to choose from if they're looking.

Fussy Librarian was pretty good, but I haven't used them in a year.  From what I've been reading (in author Facebook groups) a lot of numbers are down for paid newsletters, but again...probably depends on genre.

I write G to PG-13 books that often have a romantic element, but they aren't necessarily romance books.  Usually mixed with action/adventure or mystery, suspense, fantasy, sometimes all of the above.  Steamy romance seems to do better (again according to what I've read in Facebook groups) but I don't have any numbers to support that.

Facebook is where I go because I live on a farm with slow internet. LOL  If you can access TikTok, Instagram, other places, you might have completely different results.

Best of luck with whatever you decide!


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idontknowyet

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2023, 06:54:31 AM »
Free promo sites that are always profitable for me are freebooksy and fussy librarian. I still haven't tried hello books, but I will eventually.
Zoebub works but it isn't the same as other promos. Because of it's size read through is massively staggered. You'll get a ton of downloads and a few sales day of then it read through trickles in. It tends to be better for ku than for wide and steamy does exponentially better than sweet/clean.
There is a technique to make zoebub much more effective, but it costs money and takes way more effort than a zoebub alone which is super easy. I didn't have the energy for it this time, but i will probably see if it still works again next go around.

If you're just looking for reviews hidden gems might be a good way to go. It's simple and easy.
 

PJ Post

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2023, 07:31:05 AM »
I'm curious, when these promos work (2023), how many books are being downloaded for free - hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands? And what sales numbers are we talking about - 50 sales, a few hundred or a few thousand? And at what price point? Also, how long does the tail last? Or do we only get sales when we're promoting them?

In the old days these numbers could get pretty big, even without Bookbub.

I think it's important to know the effectiveness of the various strategies being discussed. For example, there are some here who sell absolute boat loads of books. But, as far as non-AMS promos go, my anecdata doesn't reflect significant numbers, either sales or free downloads. I know YMMV, but what has everyone else been seeing this year?

This is the stuff I miss from KB, the data reporting.

 

Lorri Moulton

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2023, 10:13:09 AM »
When I used Fussy Librarian, it was for Literary Fiction and downloads were in the hundreds.  Sell through was not bad (enough to make a profit) but nothing like the BookBub stories from 'the other place' seven years ago.  :)


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idontknowyet

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2023, 11:55:32 AM »
PJ actual number vary so much. Setting expectations would be hard.
I write not to market clean romance/wf and depending on the day the mood of the people what's happening in the world a freebooksy can get me anywhere from 1k-2.5k downloads.
I have friends that in the same genre can get 4k downloads, and i'm sure big name authors get way more than that. Then again i've heard of other people not even getting 500 downloads. Profit also varies, though i believe that is going down as well. More and more freebie seekers aren't buying the next book. They're just searching through the next freebie they got. I've made almost 1500 in a month from a freebooksy to a couple of hundred.
I will say the harder the cliff the better my read through, and mid series have worked really well for me. Then again i have had books that have barely broken even. That i blame on the actual book not the promo. They're too deep into the series or the first chapter turned off readers instead of hooking them.

I have also heard of people losing money on these promos but generally when you check there is something very wrong with their covers/blurb or actual story.
 
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The Bass Bagwhan

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2023, 02:10:11 PM »
Thanks everyone, lots of food for thought. I was aware but forgot about the current glut of free releases. Hidden Gems looks interesting. After checking the website, it seems but I can't quite confirm their service doesn't violate Amazon's TOC and anti-paid-for-review policy?

Author's Page ... something to do in this post-Christmas slack period.

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idontknowyet

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2023, 02:24:05 PM »
Thanks everyone, lots of food for thought. I was aware but forgot about the current glut of free releases. Hidden Gems looks interesting. After checking the website, it seems but I can't quite confirm their service doesn't violate Amazon's TOC and anti-paid-for-review policy?

Author's Page ... something to do in this post-Christmas slack period.

Cheers.

Reviewers arent paid in any way. They only receive a free book to read. They aren't even required to put their review on amazon. I had a couple that only reviewed on goodreads. You pay the company to put your book in front of readers. All the people that read your book won't review it. They definitely won't auto five star your books. (i get a lower rating from most hidden gems readers than i do from people that pick up my book on amazon.)
 

alhawke

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2023, 03:55:13 PM »
Hidden Gems looks interesting. After checking the website, it seems but I can't quite confirm their service doesn't violate Amazon's TOC and anti-paid-for-review policy?
I use Booksprout and Hidden Gems. My romance/fantasy does well with Hidden Gems. My epic fantasy--not so much with Hidden Gems, they do better with Booksprout. Neither is against TOC because you're giving readers a book in exchange for an honest review (you may not like the reviews). Trad publishers have their own circle of readers and have been doing this sort of thing for decades. I have a group of readers who like my stuff who will pick up my books after offering them on my newsletter, or via readers who interested in my books in Booksprout.
I'm curious, when these promos work (2023), how many books are being downloaded for free - hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands?
Thousands for me. Here's rough estimate ranges for my paranormal romance fantasies over the past 3 yrs (I have hard numbers, but this is what I know at the top of my head): Freebooksy is 2-3k. Fussy Librarian 1000-1250; Hello Books 500-1000. Many Books and ENT 750-1000. BKknights 300-500. These are the most effective ones I've used. I've never been accepted for a free BookBub promo, only their 99c promotions.

But as I said above, they don't garner me enough cross series sales or even reviews anymore for me to pursue them. I had one book that I gave away 6k on a stacked promo and I saw little reward. So, I'm pretty much done... But, if I had a fledgling series that I couldn't get off its feet with 99c or ads, I might still try to get visibility this way. OR if I really want to push a series and I don't care about subsequent sales of that one book... as usual with these things, it depends on the situation, genre, and book.

edit} btw, note that BkKnights is last with # of downloads but cheapest. When deciding on a promo, one should factor in cost with effectiveness. This is something we often forget with BookBub which is very costly.
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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2023, 12:03:51 AM »
Thanks for the numbers.

As I recall, one Bookbub could launch a career, netting tens of thousands of downloads, a #1 ranking in the store, and thousands of follow-on sales. If one could get a few such promos a year (which many did, although few would admit that this was the secret of their success), you were a 6 figure author. That was then, this is now.

I ask because we're talking in the 2024 Career thread about options. And I don't think breaking even on these promos is going to sustain a career.

But neither am I suggesting anyone stop using them. Marketing has always been about ubiquitous visibility1. We're looking for synergy. So the purpose of each of these platforms may change, which will affect ROI and when and how we use them.

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1 One of the primary marketing rules is that people only purchase goods and services that they have folded into their positive worldview (usually one that reinforces their own self-image). And people only include such products once they become familiar. Seeing the product or brand regularly creates this familiarity. This is the synergy we need to create.

 

alhawke

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2023, 01:46:40 AM »
That launch your career with a BookBub promo ship is long sailed. I wish it hadn't. I've been fortunate to land a number of 99c BB promos. Have they made me a 6 figure author? No. But the visibility from these promos still beats anything out there that I'm aware of.

I'm rethinking promos. I think they remain a strategy for Indie writers, but they should not be our main strategy. Only a combo of strategies can win. I'm experimenting more with ads. And I'm working very hard in launching a number of products, new books, for 2024.

It all makes me think of the title of this thread again.

'What's the best way to give away free books?'
Don't.
Or use them only as a series lead.

I haven't found any other use in them. I also commented in another post that I found that building my newsletter with them was a waste of time and a profit loss--I'm better off building my newsletter by offering a free book at the end of my story OR joining newsletter builder promos offering one book as a prize. I constantly cut uninterested readers from my list over time. But these are my experiences, which will differ with other writer's genres and books.

(edit: Two more thoughts. I believe a total newbie author can benefit from a single book freebie to help with visibility to start their career. I also think that freebies when wide in some markets, like Kobo, can push some needed visibliity in outside Amazon markets.
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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2023, 06:57:25 PM »
This is a longer-term thing but I believe it has probably got me a few new readers - a Facebook group I belong to (UK crime book club) organises regular short story events, where authors, and sometimes readers, are allocated a date e.g. in the 2 weeks leading up to Christmas, to post a short story in the group.  There are over 20,000 crime readers in the group so a good-sized audience, and it's fun reading people's comments. I find it useful being 'forced' to write a new short story from time to time. Very occasionally the story has given me a nudge to write something longer using the same protagonist/setting.
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LilyBLily

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2024, 05:59:35 AM »
Zoebub:
I downloaded only one book from the Zoebub offerings of historical romances, and it was a book I'd read a couple of years ago in KU and admired. Other authors were mostly ones I already have read a book or two by, or that exact book. Not interested. It's convenient to see so many books at once and not get interrupted by Amazon pushing me in another direction, but the selection is not prime.

Free:
Five years ago (a century in indie time!) I did a rapid release of a series and made the first book free and advertised it as such. After 2250 downloads, there was basically zero sell through to the next in series. There were no reviews posted from those downloaders, either; I recognize the few reviews that book has as from my usual ARC readers. I'm perfectly willing to admit that my series was a stinker on a topic no one cares about, but the takeaway is that people will download free books by the thousands, even though they have no interest in the topic and will never read them. I guess they liked the pretty cover.
 

The Bass Bagwhan

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2024, 10:53:14 AM »
Just to resolve this thread (sort of) I decided on a completely different route and created a Facebook ad that directs to the book's dedicated page on my website, whereupon I try to sound not too desperate in getting people to buy and review the novel.

My FB ads are usually pretty effective, but as we all know, converting that traffic into actual sales — the dreaded extra "click" — is a challenge. I'm considering offering a free copy of a different novel to anyone who visits the page ... as PJ Post often tells us, we have to break this cycle of reliance on beating the Amazon algo's. I'm still happy to sell through 'Zon, I just want to achieve awareness and visibility elsewhere, if that makes sense.
 

idontknowyet

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2024, 11:10:17 AM »
Just to resolve this thread (sort of) I decided on a completely different route and created a Facebook ad that directs to the book's dedicated page on my website, whereupon I try to sound not too desperate in getting people to buy and review the novel.

My FB ads are usually pretty effective, but as we all know, converting that traffic into actual sales — the dreaded extra "click" — is a challenge. I'm considering offering a free copy of a different novel to anyone who visits the page ... as PJ Post often tells us, we have to break this cycle of reliance on beating the Amazon algo's. I'm still happy to sell through 'Zon, I just want to achieve awareness and visibility elsewhere, if that makes sense.

Take this with a grain of salt, but fb ads to a website is generally not recommended. The only time you want any extra clicks is if you sell the same book on multiple platforms. FB ads that lead directly to the sales page generally have better returns. People get distracted very easily.

FB ads to a first in series free works very well still and fb ads to ku books are also working very well now for some readson.
 

The Bass Bagwhan

Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2024, 09:40:20 PM »



Take this with a grain of salt, but fb ads to a website is generally not recommended. The only time you want any extra clicks is if you sell the same book on multiple platforms. FB ads that lead directly to the sales page generally have better returns. People get distracted very easily.

FB ads to a first in series free works very well still and fb ads to ku books are also working very well now for some readson
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I totally agree, but in this case the sales page has no ratings, no reviews, no nothing, and that's the obstacle I'm trying to overcome by having extra info and hopefully appeal on the website page. It's an experiment in progress that I admit goes against current thinking.
 
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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2024, 11:19:01 PM »



Take this with a grain of salt, but fb ads to a website is generally not recommended. The only time you want any extra clicks is if you sell the same book on multiple platforms. FB ads that lead directly to the sales page generally have better returns. People get distracted very easily.

FB ads to a first in series free works very well still and fb ads to ku books are also working very well now for some readson
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I totally agree, but in this case the sales page has no ratings, no reviews, no nothing, and that's the obstacle I'm trying to overcome by having extra info and hopefully appeal on the website page. It's an experiment in progress that I admit goes against current thinking.

Agreed - no extra clicks. Clicks are evil, vile and damn it... let me see what is down that rabbit hole.

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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2024, 11:20:03 PM »
An aside, I Googled 'Zoebub' and this thread was #1 on page one!  Writer Scantum gaining traction!

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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2024, 12:10:48 PM »
Writer Scantum gaining traction!


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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2024, 10:01:52 AM »
Booksprout is a bit cagey about books that are in KU. Has anyone had any issues? I'd rather not wait the 90 days ...
 

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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2024, 11:30:11 AM »
Booksprout is a bit cagey about books that are in KU. Has anyone had any issues? I'd rather not wait the 90 days ...
You're allowed to send review copies. Usually that's the excuse given by writers in KU and I see a lot of KU books up on Booksprout. But it's not worth the risk of being banned. What I do, to be super cautious, is release any KU ARC new releases for reviews before my book is released in KU on Amazon.
 

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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2024, 08:27:04 AM »
For months, I've been promoting only free books. I rotate books by using KU-free days each month and I schedule them on promo sites. Income went up drastically and holds steady. The worst month I've had since doing this was November. Had a fantastic summer and doing pretty well now. So I no longer promote paid books at all unless they are a new release and I only do it for a few weeks then move on.

As far as Zoebub, I've used it every time since it started but not sure I will do it again. The magic seems to be wearing off and Zoe even said she isn't sure how much longer she is keeping it going because of so much hate the promotion gets from authors who are not in it. A LOT of drama has come from it and it seems to be stressing Zoe out. She also said she won't run it but a few times this year so there won't be as many opportunities to join anyway.
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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2024, 04:12:48 AM »
I haven't previously done any paid promoting as it is expensive with the exchange rate at $1 = approx R20. But I decided to bite the bullet and attempt a BookBub ad (given up with their featured deals  :icon_sad:). They recommend a free promo for more clicks or impressions. It was a children's book so already not an easy sell. It didn't do very well the first day with a few clicks and no downloads, but on the 2nd day there was a sudden surge of downloads. I then discovered (in a message via my website) that the book had been picked up by eBookDaily.  :)

I was impressed enough to do another promo with eBookDaily (that I paid for this time) and they again did so much better than the BookBub ad.

BookBub recommend trying various methods before you find the sweet spot with their ads, but it's an expensive learning curve.  :icon_rolleyes:

PS has anyone tried https://bookcoversharing.com/ this site for getting your book before more eyes? I haven't signed up so not sure if they suddenly ask for money.
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Re: What is the best way to give away free books now?
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2024, 07:02:42 AM »
Jan, I found this page on the bookcoversharing site that lists prices.
https://bookcoversharing.com/page/pricing/plan
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2024, 06:16:17 PM »
Jan, I found this page on the bookcoversharing site that lists prices.
https://bookcoversharing.com/page/pricing/plan

Thanks :Tup2:.

I decided to register and I'm going to use their free service to upload some pics and covers.  :)

Non-fiction, Fiction, family saga, humour, short stories, teen, children's
Jan Hurst-Nicholson | author website