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Gregg Bell

Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« on: July 03, 2025, 08:14:45 AM »
How do you like dictating? What software do you use? Do you find it overall slower or faster to finish the novel to a ready for publication level? (Thinking about the first draft being quicker but the revision taking longer.)

I dictated my last book, but now I'm not certain about how to do the next.
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2025, 06:14:31 PM »
How do you make dictation work for your fiction and I presume you're a plotter?  I used to dictate business correspondence to a human notetaker and found that dictating is a special learned skill.  I'm curious how it suits longform imaginative work.
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2025, 11:12:26 PM »
I experimented quite a bit earlier on. Because I'm a pantser, though, I had to think after each chunk of dictation, so it really wasn't all that much faster for me.


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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2025, 11:54:42 PM »
My wife, a Medical Professional, uses Dragon and swears it's a time-saver.  I tried Dragon, Google Voice, and a couple of others whose names I can't remember. Typing, for me, is expeditious.  And I can force the word 'expeditious' and not have it changed to 'expedient'.

Gripe resolved, I'm off to Weaties and blackberries.

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2025, 09:52:57 AM »
How do you make dictation work for your fiction and I presume you're a plotter?  I used to dictate business correspondence to a human notetaker and found that dictating is a special learned skill.  I'm curious how it suits longform imaginative work.

I start with an outline but then go pretty freeform after that. Dictating feels weird at first but pretty soon, if you stay with it, it gets easier--and you don't have all the work of the typing. After a long day of typing I'm pretty shot. After the dictating, I'm fine.
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2025, 09:55:31 AM »
I experimented quite a bit earlier on. Because I'm a pantser, though, I had to think after each chunk of dictation, so it really wasn't all that much faster for me.

I'm wondering if it's ultimately slower (dictating) for me. It goes so fast for the first draft but so many details are left out. It's almost like writing a stage play. Then you have to go back and fill in all the blank spots. But the speed of the first draft (with dictating) is pretty addicting.
 

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2025, 10:00:24 AM »
My wife, a Medical Professional, uses Dragon and swears it's a time-saver.  I tried Dragon, Google Voice, and a couple of others whose names I can't remember. Typing, for me, is expeditious.  And I can force the word 'expeditious' and not have it changed to 'expedient'.

Gripe resolved, I'm off to Weaties and blackberries.

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Griping is good for the soul. I use Dragon but I'm going to try Google Voice. Dragon you can supposedly "train" but I've never been able to. And yeah words get changed all the time. Like my main character is named Ike. Dragon comes up with "Like" "Mike" and what have you, and then to fix all that in an 80K novel is really quite annoying.
 
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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2025, 09:57:30 PM »
It's the fixing that really slows things down, at least in my experience.

Dictation can be a great boon for some authors, particularly for those that have something like arthritic hands and therefore can't type for long stretches. For the rest of us, it is faster--if you're generating the words in your head faster than you can type. Then you can really see the difference. But if you're constantly thinking about what to write next, I think the difference is far less. And then there's the correcting after...

Of course, we each have different processes. It sounds as if your experience with dictation is much better. If it works for you, use it!


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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2025, 10:20:02 AM »
Purely to alleviate RSI and tendinitis i've been considering this for my freelance technical writing, but it's most editing and improving press releases and i've always imagined that all those technical terms, plus the act of placing the cursor inside phrases and words, isn't a workflow that dictation will support.
Can anyone enlighten me?
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2025, 10:01:04 PM »
It's been years, but I believe dictation software allows you to change the focus. I recall Dragon had movement commands for that. You can also click where you want to dictate, which is probably faster.

If typing is becoming more difficult, I'd say dictation software would be worth a try.


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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2025, 09:19:47 AM »
I think Bill is right. Try it. "Man is a creature that can get used to anything..." Dostoefsky

 I started writing longhand and never imagined I would be able to compose typing (I couldn't type). But I could. Then I never imagined I could compose dictating. But I could.

Give it a shot.
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2025, 04:55:01 PM »
I think Bill is right. Try it.

You and Bill pushed me to try dictation.  Just can't do it.  After years of keyboarding, found that my fingers seem to do all my thinking and I'm never sure what's going to appear on the screen until I see it there.  Dictation takes too much anticipation, and I like my keyboard surprises.  My problem is getting fab ideas in the shower w/no waterproof keyboard handy.
 
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2025, 06:23:40 PM »
I'll investigate, but I'm not hopeful to be honest.
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2025, 10:28:33 PM »
Most multimodal AI has dictation.

I used OpenAI. It formats for you so you don't need to call out as much punctuation and such, but it was a clunky interface for me. I'm still on the fence as far as workflow goes. But if it's just about getting the words on the page - it's way way faster.

GPT5 should be out in the next month or so - I'm hoping it's better.

I think the important thing about dictation is letting the ideas flow rather than trying to get everything perfect on the first draft; repeat sentences, digress, rant and ramble, and then fix it all in editing.

AI also remembers, so it can help with story bibles, characterization, themes, all the literary stuff.

 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2025, 08:19:15 AM »
I think Bill is right. Try it.

You and Bill pushed me to try dictation.  Just can't do it.  After years of keyboarding, found that my fingers seem to do all my thinking and I'm never sure what's going to appear on the screen until I see it there.  Dictation takes too much anticipation, and I like my keyboard surprises.  My problem is getting fab ideas in the shower w/no waterproof keyboard handy.

Hey, at least you tried. What did you use to do the dictating? (I'm not thrilled with the Dragon.)
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2025, 08:21:57 AM »
I'll investigate, but I'm not hopeful to be honest.

"You won't find out if you never try." Earth, Wind & Fire
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2025, 09:12:12 AM »
Most multimodal AI has dictation.

I used OpenAI. It formats for you so you don't need to call out as much punctuation and such, but it was a clunky interface for me. I'm still on the fence as far as workflow goes. But if it's just about getting the words on the page - it's way way faster.

GPT5 should be out in the next month or so - I'm hoping it's better.

I think the important thing about dictation is letting the ideas flow rather than trying to get everything perfect on the first draft; repeat sentences, digress, rant and ramble, and then fix it all in editing.

AI also remembers, so it can help with story bibles, characterization, themes, all the literary stuff.

Thanks. I did not know about this. Checking it out now. So you hook up a computer or your phone via ChatGPT Plus, which contains 4.0, dictate, then copy and paste the results into a .docx or .odt or what have you file?

Chat GPT says Google Doc's voice-to-text may handle the actual dictation better. (It suggested using Google Docs voice-to-text for the dictating and ChatGPT Plus for the editing.) Have you tried Google Doc's voice-to-text? Are you satisfied with how Chat GPT 4.o handles the dictation?
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2025, 10:23:25 PM »
Thanks. I did not know about this. Checking it out now. So you hook up a computer or your phone via ChatGPT Plus, which contains 4.0, dictate, then copy and paste the results into a .docx or .odt or what have you file?

Chat GPT says Google Doc's voice-to-text may handle the actual dictation better. (It suggested using Google Docs voice-to-text for the dictating and ChatGPT Plus for the editing.) Have you tried Google Doc's voice-to-text? Are you satisfied with how Chat GPT 4.o handles the dictation?

You just need a cheap USB microphone for your PC/Mac.

You open a voice session and then go to town. When you're done, the AI will export whatever file type you want. No cutting and pasting. And it will remember your previous sessions if you have questions.

And no, it didn't quite work for me. But when it comes to AI, most workflow problems are user error, so that doesn't mean it won't work for you. I mean, there's no owner's manual, you know?

I have not used Google's dictation, but everything else they do is really good. Thanks for pointing it out.

 
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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2025, 10:30:36 PM »
From my subscription version of ChatGPT: 

You said:
Can you take dictation?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, I can take dictation. Just start typing what you'd like me to transcribe or format—I’ll follow along and clean it up if needed. If you're pasting in a chunk at a time, just say “next” when you're ready to continue.

You said:
Can you take audio dictation?

ChatGPT said:
I can't listen to live audio or take real-time voice dictation, but you can upload an audio file (MP3, M4A, WAV, etc.), and I’ll transcribe it for you. Just drag and drop the file here, and I’ll get started.

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2025, 11:00:13 PM »
Circumstances make a big difference.

I've experimented with dictation several times and not ended up making it a permanent part of my workflow. That was partly because, as a pantser, I do a lot of my thinking as I type. Dictation works best when one is consistently dictating at more or less normal conversational speeds. If one has to pause to think about what happens next, then the speed advantage of dictation declines. However, if my hands became more arthritic, I'd switch to dictation very rapidly because then it would be faster (and less painful).

One year, when i was still teaching, I did all my recommendations using dictation. That actually was faster than typing because I could plan out what I was going to say before starting.

Here's a link to an article that discusses major alternatives: https://zapier.com/blog/best-text-dictation-software/
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Accuracy is good and improves with use, showing that you can definitely train your dragon. It's a great choice if you're serious about dictation and plan to use it every day, but may be a bit too much if you're just using it occasionally.
Dragon was the first, and even when I used it some years ago, it was good at what it did. That was several versions ago, so it's probably better now. It is pricey, however. I'd investigate with free alternatives first, just to see if the general idea works for you.

Hmmm... I'm thinking maybe I should try it again.

BTW, the desktop additions of Dragon work with many popular word processors, so you can dictate directly into the application of your choice.


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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2025, 04:02:33 AM »
Thanks. I did not know about this. Checking it out now. So you hook up a computer or your phone via ChatGPT Plus, which contains 4.0, dictate, then copy and paste the results into a .docx or .odt or what have you file?

Chat GPT says Google Doc's voice-to-text may handle the actual dictation better. (It suggested using Google Docs voice-to-text for the dictating and ChatGPT Plus for the editing.) Have you tried Google Doc's voice-to-text? Are you satisfied with how Chat GPT 4.o handles the dictation?

You just need a cheap USB microphone for your PC/Mac.

You open a voice session and then go to town. When you're done, the AI will export whatever file type you want. No cutting and pasting. And it will remember your previous sessions if you have questions.

And no, it didn't quite work for me. But when it comes to AI, most workflow problems are user error, so that doesn't mean it won't work for you. I mean, there's no owner's manual, you know?

I have not used Google's dictation, but everything else they do is really good. Thanks for pointing it out.

Wow. Thanks a lot. I'm definitely going to give it a try.
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2025, 04:05:52 AM »
From my subscription version of ChatGPT: 

You said:
Can you take dictation?

ChatGPT said:
Yes, I can take dictation. Just start typing what you'd like me to transcribe or format—I’ll follow along and clean it up if needed. If you're pasting in a chunk at a time, just say “next” when you're ready to continue.

You said:
Can you take audio dictation?

ChatGPT said:
I can't listen to live audio or take real-time voice dictation, but you can upload an audio file (MP3, M4A, WAV, etc.), and I’ll transcribe it for you. Just drag and drop the file here, and I’ll get started.

R.C.

Thanks. That was my understanding for the way the free version of ChatGPT worked. By subscription version do you mean the paid version?
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2025, 04:12:40 AM »
Circumstances make a big difference.

I've experimented with dictation several times and not ended up making it a permanent part of my workflow. That was partly because, as a pantser, I do a lot of my thinking as I type. Dictation works best when one is consistently dictating at more or less normal conversational speeds. If one has to pause to think about what happens next, then the speed advantage of dictation declines. However, if my hands became more arthritic, I'd switch to dictation very rapidly because then it would be faster (and less painful).

One year, when i was still teaching, I did all my recommendations using dictation. That actually was faster than typing because I could plan out what I was going to say before starting.

Here's a link to an article that discusses major alternatives: https://zapier.com/blog/best-text-dictation-software/
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Accuracy is good and improves with use, showing that you can definitely train your dragon. It's a great choice if you're serious about dictation and plan to use it every day, but may be a bit too much if you're just using it occasionally.
Dragon was the first, and even when I used it some years ago, it was good at what it did. That was several versions ago, so it's probably better now. It is pricey, however. I'd investigate with free alternatives first, just to see if the general idea works for you.

Hmmm... I'm thinking maybe I should try it again.

BTW, the desktop additions of Dragon work with many popular word processors, so you can dictate directly into the application of your choice.

Great link, Bill, thanks. I'm so ambivalent about Dragon. Granted, I have a very old version but training it was just a time suck and led to no improvement in performance. I'll play with it again at some point but right now I'm looking for a replacement.
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2025, 06:13:25 AM »
I'm testing Dragon Professional V16 right now.

So far, it's largely accurate on everyday language, even with a fan going in the background.

I tried a list of harder names: Eusebius, Marduk, Poseidon, Enkidu, Gilgamesh, Erasmus, Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, writers' sanctum, Persepolis, Ecclesiastes, Belshazzar, Osiris, Bilbo Baggins, Frodo Baggins, Gandalf, Merlin, John Steinbeck, Antigone, Eteocles, Oedipus, Creon, Andromache, Galahad, Gawain

Out of all of those, I had to train Eusebius (started with you see BS and you Sebelius), Marduk (started as Marge Duke) and Gawain (started with Dewayne). Enkidu was lowercase initially. All the others came out right the first time, and once trained, came out right subsequently. (This is better than it used to do.)

Dragon can work with Word (through an addon which it installs during setup). That mode works really well if you're using a template with very specific formatting, for example. However, to train new words, you need to use the Dragon Bar. You can also use that for dictation (via Dragon Pad, which is basically WordPad designed to work with Dragon.

There is a weird glitch in which I asked to lowercase a word, and the whole paragraph turned into lower case. But then, I realized that "lowercase that" is no longer a supported command. "Capitalize that" worked as expected. Other formatting commands worked as expected.

There are movement commands, such as select X, which selects the word or phrase you specify. It's pretty easy to maneuver around.

--Dictated text:
Now, I'm going to try dictating into the forms comment box. This mode supports dictation, but it doesn't seem to support commands to select earlier words or phrases. Consequently, I couldn't correct forms to forum's. Sometimes, it's easier to just fix minor stuff like that later, anyway. This paragraph was completely dictated, and as you can see, that forms glitch is the only error. That was actually faster than typing, although it sometimes takes the second or two for the dictated text to appear.

What you can do with a particular application may depend upon how it's coded. In the case of the forum, Dragon accepts deletion commands but not selection commands. I had to correct accepts, but otherwise, I didn't have to make corrections. I did notice, however, that when dictating into forum, Dragon does not accept formatting commands, either, but that makes sense because the forum doesn't work like a word processor in that respect.
--End dictated text.

That would have been faster if I'd know how the forum's comment box and Dragon would interact, but the text itself required little correction.

At first glance, it does appear that Dragon has improved. Sometimes, it may need to be trained. Occasionally, it might even be better to just manually retype. I've noticed that in the past. But for the most part, experimental fumbling aside, It is faster than typing if one doesn't need to think too much about what to say next. Once I get used to the way it works, I imagine that I will be able to go even faster.

(Oops! I now see a couple of other errors. That's still pretty good. Also, Dragon recommends a headset microphone, but I wasn't using one.)
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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2025, 08:43:31 AM »
Thanks Bill. It's interesting to see how Dragon got most of those really obscure terms. My old version would have gotten very few.

From what I've heard so far ChatGPT Plus sounds like my best bet. I'm definitely going to try it anyway. But I'm also finding that hitting the Windows key (I'm on Windows 10) and H makes for dictation that's much more accurate than my old Dragon anyway.
 

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Re: Is anybody dictating the first draft of their novels?
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2025, 11:25:43 PM »
Yeah, old Dragon required a lot more training. It's natural that newer products would be better. And if a free one works for you, even better. (Dragon is still pricey.)


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