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Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« on: September 17, 2025, 07:19:21 AM »
Because Amazon won't police its offerings, you're getting shafted (and so am I)
Robert Reich   Sep 16, 2025

"I keep hearing from people who say they've bought my book through Amazon but received something with empty pages or with what appears to be filled with AI crap....I've repeatedly alerted Amazon to these frauds, but they've done nothing.  I phoned Amazon's customer service line and spoke with a nice man who said that Amazon would stop marketing the fake books if I could show that they infringed my copyright. 'Do you have proof that they're counterfeit?'  'Yes. My name is Robert Reich, and the cover of one of the fake books is exactly the same as is being used to market a popular movie about my last class at Berkeley...In fact, Amazon is telling customers that my book and the fakes are 'frequently bought together.'  'I'll pass this information along,' he said...."

https://robertreich.substack.com/p/because-amazon-wont-police-its-offerings
 

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Re: Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2025, 08:02:38 AM »
If the books shown in his Substack are the only "fake" books he is complaining about, um, if people are buying those and thinking they are buying his, I'm sorry but maybe they aren't the sharpest pencils in the box.

The first book has a title of "Performative Book for Robert Reich: The Coming Up Short Assessment of America, A Prosopography."  Then an author name of Damien Englewood.  If I were looking for a book by Robert Reich, I certainly wouldn't presume that to be one.

The second book, "The Last Class: The Real Story Behind Robert Reich's Farewell to Berkeley" by Elara M. Vintrow, does not appear to be a book by Robert Reich either.  Now, in this case, he may have cause for complaint as the cover is his image and, presumably, was used without permission.

I can't speak to the contents as I could not find either on Amazon and could not do a "Look Inside" or anything.

I did find a book entitled "The Last Class" that was advertised as a review of the movie.  I mean, I don't know why you would want to buy a movie review from an unknown author when there are plenty of free movie reviews online from both recognizable movie reviewers and regular movie attendees.

Titles cannot be copyrighted.  Robert Reich should probably know this.  Maybe there is a trademark on it, but that is not mentioned in his post.

Anyway, I know nothing of the contents of any of the books mentioned.  If any of them were just AI generated nonsense, yeah, I agree that there's too much of that, but if you can't show any content from the books infringes upon your copyright, you're out of luck.

Again, I think he has a case with the cover image on the one book.

And not finding an author in a Google search is meaningless.  Many authors don't have websites so the only place you can find them is on Amazon or other bookstores.

And, again, I wouldn't think any of those books were written by him.  It's either people aren't the sharpest pencils in the box or they aren't paying attention and they just mindlessly hit the "Add All to Cart" button under "Frequently Bought Together."

I'm certainly not a proponent of Amazon, but I'm not seeing Amazon being the major problem here.  Granted, I would not be unhappy for them to ban AI-generated content but how would they identify and block it without entrapping authors who write their own stuff?
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Jeff Tanyard

Re: Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2025, 10:41:55 AM »
The first book has a title of "Performative Book for Robert Reich: The Coming Up Short Assessment of America, A Prosopography."  Then an author name of Damien Englewood.  If I were looking for a book by Robert Reich, I certainly wouldn't presume that to be one.


Yeah, the book's content may be a different story, but there's nothing about the cover that strikes me as a copyright violation.


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The second book, "The Last Class: The Real Story Behind Robert Reich's Farewell to Berkeley" by Elara M. Vintrow, does not appear to be a book by Robert Reich either.  Now, in this case, he may have cause for complaint as the cover is his image and, presumably, was used without permission.


The cover image is similar enough to be a copyright violation.  However, it's presumably Vintrow's IP, not Reich's, so it's not his place to complain about it to Amazon.  The proper course of action would be to let Vintrow know about it so that she can take action if she so desires.


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I'm certainly not a proponent of Amazon, but I'm not seeing Amazon being the major problem here. 


They're not.  But Reich got a harrumph out of his readers and drove a few more views to his Substack, so the mission was accomplished, I guess.   :icon_rolleyes:
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Re: Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2025, 09:24:40 PM »
Robert Reich is well enough known that I don't think he needs to create an issue just to get views.

That said, yeah, the covers reveal no obvious copyright problems except the photo, already noted. But the rights holder would need to come after that.

Interestingly, the books he's complaining about no longer seem to exist, nor are there any references to the two "authors." So either his phone call with customer support shook something loose, or one of Amazon's automatic mechanisms and/or customer complaints resulted in their removal.

Reich doesn't know Amazon like we do. There probably should be a bit more vetting rather than relying on customer complaints to shake out inappropriate stuff. But Amazon does eventually get around to eliminating them--usually.

Speaking of Amazon bans, there are now people going after writers on Substack for using em-dashes, which are now supposedly proof-positive of AI involvement. An argument could certainly be made that we overuse em-dashes these days, but they aren't a mark of AI involvement.


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Re: Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2025, 10:30:45 PM »
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Get your dirty stinking paws off my em-dash!

See, this is why we can't have nice things - MFA overreach.

 

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Re: Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2025, 03:09:25 AM »
Speaking of Amazon bans, there are now people going after writers on Substack for using em-dashes, which are now supposedly proof-positive of AI involvement. An argument could certainly be made that we overuse em-dashes these days, but they aren't a mark of AI involvement.

I've used em-dashes.  Most of my books were written and published before AI was even available to writers.  What happens when these anti-em-dashers encounter books written before AI?  Do they assume some of us had advanced access to AI?
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Re: Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2025, 03:37:02 AM »
The people doing it are obviously ignorant. They will learn better in time...


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Re: Bestseller or shrimp, scammers are after your book
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2025, 09:19:44 AM »
Ignorant people causing trouble ... who'd have thunk it?