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The scammers are getting bold....
« on: October 31, 2025, 12:29:44 PM »
I just got an email from Ernest Cline, telling me he found my book and wanted to connect about my writing journey.

You know the email. They're all basically the same.

This one came with a link to Ready Player One, and had the thumbnail of a cover saying that on it.

The email address was Gmail, and from ErnestAuthorCline. And it was sent to a BS email account I have on my site which collects all the spam.

Not at all suspicious.

But being that blatant is a change. Next I expect to hear from Rowling.

If you get emails from me, they're not from me!
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2025, 01:17:00 PM »
The email address was Gmail, and from ErnestAuthorCline.


Perhaps it's Cline doing his Austin Powers impression.

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2025, 02:12:55 PM »
Since I've never heard of Ernest Cline until now, I would have just assumed it was spam anyway.

I have honeypot eMail addresses too.  But messages sent to them get rejected at the server level so I never see them.
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2025, 02:19:31 PM »
Since I've never heard of Ernest Cline until now, I would have just assumed it was spam anyway.

I have honeypot eMail addresses too.  But messages sent to them get rejected at the server level so I never see them.

You didn't see the movie?  :eek:

Even if you didn't recognize the name, the movie is a dead give away.
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2025, 02:39:46 PM »
Since I've never heard of Ernest Cline until now, I would have just assumed it was spam anyway.

I have honeypot eMail addresses too.  But messages sent to them get rejected at the server level so I never see them.

You didn't see the movie?  :eek:

Even if you didn't recognize the name, the movie is a dead give away.

Heard of the movie.  Haven't seen it.

If such an eMail had reached me, I might not have seen the image as I don't have HTML mail on by default.
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2025, 03:37:43 PM »
I've seen the movie.  It was okay.  Good, not great.  I don't care much for Spielberg's sense of humor, so I tend to roll my eyes at the gags in his movies.

The best part for me was the nostalgia aspect.  I loved the Terminator 2 "thumbs up" reference and the charm of making from Excalibur.

Dan, you should see it, if for no other reason than the 1980s nostalgia aspect of it (which is frankly epic).
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2025, 11:58:33 PM »
It's also worth reading the book for the same reason.


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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2025, 04:26:37 AM »
Spammers have gotten completely out of hand. I think it's because you can probably program the machine to send out a few thousand emails based on writers with machine research and machine image learning. Not only is it a waste of time, it's flooding my emails. I need to find an AI program to weed them out.
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2025, 05:44:28 AM »
I haven't received that type, but I've already gotten some very complimentary communications supposedly from book clubs. The AI writing is smooth. I wish real critics would write such nice things about my books.
 
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2025, 12:40:54 AM »
Speaking of which, I just got a book club one that almost fooled me.

The writing style was similar to some of the new emails selling marketing of one kind or another. Supposedly, a book club really wanted my very first book for their next selection. The first thing I did was check, and I found an FB group whose name corresponded to the book club in the email, so I thought maybe it was legit.

A red flag popped on the second email that came after I responded favorably to the first one. Being chosen involved a small fee to handle promotional costs, etc. Book clubs don't usually charge the authors they're reading, needless to say. So I double-checked. The book group I'd identified on FB turned out on closer inspection to be a group of people reading the books written by that author rather than being sponsored by that author and reading other people's books. Though I doubt the scammer will keep reusing the same name, for the sake of completeness, I'll mention that the name being used was Jenny Colgan. Per my research, the real Jenny Colgan is a Scottish writer with Hatchette UK who has written a huge number of books and been a Sunday Times and New York Times bestseller, among other things. She has a website (though it seems to have been put together by her publisher), as well as some social media presence. What she doesn't have is a book club.  For a club that theoretically does a lot of promotion,  you'd expect considerable internet evidence, but I couldn't find a trace. That said, the scammer, though using Jenny Colgan's name, didn't explicitly claim to be that Jenny Colgan.

I decided to ask for a link to the book club to see what response I would get. Since we'd talked about a virtual book club meeting, I also ask for platform information so I could test my setup on it. That's information the book club sponsor would obviously know.

I got no response to the first question. For the second, I was told it would be a private virtual session or something like that, complete with boldface. I asked both questions more pointedly, explaining I needed the first for verification purposes and reiterated that I need the platform to make sure my camera and mic worked on it.

I'm sure I'll never get a response since there is no real book club. Sigh! But that is what scammers do--they tell us what we want to hear. I don't know how the scammer selects targets, but the book in question has a fair number of reviews, a good Kirkus review, several awards (in the old days I used to get editorial reviews and entered contests, but the record, neither does much for sales) and would get a fair number of search hits from the days when I did extensive advertising. There's just enough there for it to be plausible that someone might stumble across it. Interestingly, the email was sent from the right time zone for the real Jenny Colgan, but that's easily accomplished with a VPN.   



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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2025, 12:47:20 AM »
They are all using links to legit sites.

Either to actual authors, or to actual groups.

But like all the scammers working the comment sections of the big influences, it's just pretend.

The only way to really check is to search for the name, find the legit sites, then check for if they are doing things the messages say they are.

I state on my FB that I don't recommend anyone for anything. So if someone looked me up properly, they should see that. They'd also see that my images are not the same as what the scammers used.

My default position now is, if it's a cold approach, it's a scam.
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2025, 12:54:24 AM »
In my case, the scammer wasn't using legitimate links--or any links. And I think if I'd asked if she was that Jenny Colgan, the scammer might have said no.

Cold approaches are usually scams. I have found a few over the years from startups that might be legitimate, though in the end, I didn't use them.


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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2025, 02:17:48 AM »
Speaking of which, I just got a book club one that almost fooled me.
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A red flag popped on the second email that came after I responded favorably to the first one. Being chosen involved a small fee to handle promotional costs, etc. Book clubs don't usually charge the authors they're reading, needless to say.
For a club that theoretically does a lot of promotion,  you'd expect considerable internet evidence, but I couldn't find a trace.
the book in question has a fair number of reviews, a good Kirkus review, several awards (in the old days I used to get editorial reviews and entered contests, but the record, neither does much for sales)

Thanks, I didn't know all of that.

She has a website (though it seems to have been put together by her publisher)

How can you tell that an author's website may have been put together by their publisher?
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2025, 03:59:24 AM »
I also responded to one of these book clubs. I did research and found out that they meet in Washington DC. Or they claim that they do. I designed a ChatGPT response as a reply, most importantly asking if there was a fee. The response was that it's all up to the writer, but they request around $350. Immediate spam list and closed. I'm done. I will never pay after I've been invited for something. And the most difficult thing about this method of spamming is that many spammers can suck you in for a free service only to guilt trip you for the money later.

Why did I use ChatGPT. Aside for the humor in it, ChatGPT is quick and allows me not to think. That's the biggest problem with this stuff. It's wasting my time out of the day to respond. Whether these are real people or scammers, I have to research them up.

It's getting tougher and tougher to tell how legitimate these people are. The smarter they create the scam, the more $ they can draw in for slop.
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2025, 05:05:29 AM »
Maybe it happens to more popular authors, but I can't imagine anyone contacting me to do anything...outside of this group or when I spent more time in Facebook groups. 

Most places want money upfront to promo our books.  And they only send generic ads (think Fussy Librarian) to my email.  If someone DID contact me, I'd probably miss out because I wouldn't believe it. 

If they really want to market my book for free, I'd imagine I'd have traditional publishers wanting to do the same.  I don't ask (outside of Hallmark), and so far none have reached out.


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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2025, 06:53:50 AM »
If someone DID contact me, I'd probably miss out because I wouldn't believe it. 
I have a funny fear of that. Some Hollywood executive might offer me a movie deal and I'm going to throw it in my spam folder. All because of the nonsense out there now.
 
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Re: The scammers are getting bold....
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2025, 09:52:56 PM »
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How can you tell that an author's website may have been put together by their publisher?
I can't necessarily tell for sure. But the fact that the contact-us section provides only publisher contact info gave me that idea. I've seen a lot of author websites over the years, and I can't think of a single one that does that. Either the contact is the author (I'd imagine normally through an email address specially created for fan traffic) or there is no contact section.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with the publisher providing a website. I think that used to be common (you know, back in the day when publishers were more likely to be full-service.) Often, the publisher also curated social media feeds for its authors, at least, for the big ones. More recently, there has been a tendency to try to reduce expenses. Leaving authors to do their own website and social media is a logical area to cut--certainly more so than promotional and editorial stuff that also gets cut or reduced.


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