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Tonyonline

Goodreads and your books.
« on: October 19, 2018, 03:40:46 AM »
Concerning my books on Goodreads. I couldn't help wonder if they ever have a clear out of those who have, Added it / Is currently reading it, or Marked it as to-read. Because I have all three of those on my books dating back to March 2017!
Of course I don't have a problem with it but it seems a little pointless having them there if the aren't going to change, which most haven't.
I've also noticed that the more recent adds, in the various three forms, disappear and then return from time to time  :smilie_zauber:
And lastly. Do you have more reviews/ratings on Goodreads than you do on Amazon, I do. Which is a shame, and disappointing, because I don't have many reviews/ratings on my books on Amazon but I have treble the amount on Goodreads. 

I'll put my hands up and say I don't do much on Goodreads apart from run an advert from time to time, so I have little idea how it all works, but it seems to have some odd ways about it :confused:
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2018, 04:57:50 AM »
GDs may be important in select genres but I don't have much use for it. It's a confusing site and my insights aren't worth sharing. I do get a lot of ratings but few reviews. I've noticed that some GD reviews appear almost simultaneously on Amazon. How that works I don't know.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2018, 05:35:20 AM »
GDs may be important in select genres but I don't have much use for it. It's a confusing site and my insights aren't worth sharing. I do get a lot of ratings but few reviews. I've noticed that some GD reviews appear almost simultaneously on Amazon. How that works I don't know.

Agreed. It's very confusing. Maybe once a year I might tap into a few of my books to pick up some comments, but I don't know why I bother doing even that.

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2018, 05:50:18 AM »


Most of my covers are out of date. In fact, I think they all are.

Several of my books have duplicate listings. Why I don't know. I know when I've uploaded a new book and plugged in the ASIN, GD sometimes tells me the book already exists (I know. I wrote it), and then I have to relist the book without the ASIN. That may be where the duplicate listings come from. I tried to resolve it one day. I got to a page instructing me how to correct multiple listings. It was about 8000 words long.

I decided it wasn't that important.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2018, 11:19:02 AM »
Concerning my books on Goodreads. I couldn't help wonder if they ever have a clear out of those who have, Added it / Is currently reading it, or Marked it as to-read. Because I have all three of those on my books dating back to March 2017!

As far as I can see, if someone stops reading your book part way through, it never gets removed from the reading now count. Same with going to read, if it never gets read.

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2018, 04:54:21 PM »
Goodreads has managed to make itself virtually insignificant to most writers. I believe that one day it will be dismantled in much the same way as Createspace and anything worthy transferred to Amazon. In which case don't expect a lot - it's pretty useless.
 
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2018, 06:30:45 PM »
Goodreads is for readers, not authors. They could quite easily make it more attractive for authors, it's a shame they won't. I don't use it.
 
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2018, 06:46:49 PM »
Goodreads is a catalogue, review and book discussion site for readers. Everyone who at one point in time places your book on his TBR list, wants it there for a reason. They would be angry, if anyone removed books from their lists regardless of how many years back they put them there.

Every edition and every cover get their own entry, so that people always are able to choose the exact edition and cover they own.

Goodreads is not truly made to be used by authors for marketing.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2018, 06:56:44 PM »
I do use GoodReads, but as a reader, not necessarily a writer. It’s useful for tracking what books I’ve read. I use IMDB for tracking films I’ve seen the same way.
 
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2018, 07:02:13 PM »
Goodreads is an amazing sight. When it comes to books, there is no better resource anywhere on the internet.
 

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2018, 09:02:53 PM »
I'm finding it really useful just now - as a newly published indie.  I don't use it as a reader, but it's been and still is really helpful to see the ratings and a few more detailed reviews (which don't necessarily go to Amazon).  If you only have, say, five reviews on Amazon, and one is low, that could be really disheartening, but it seems readers are far more likely to rate books on Goodreads which gives a much broader picture.

I have huge sympathy with those with massive "to be read" piles on Goodreads - my kindle is stuffed with "to be read" books.  Ironically, now I'm published it's harder than ever to find time to read!
     



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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2018, 10:02:39 PM »
Although Goodreads has its annoying side (seeing tbe old book covers always makes me cross), I often find it useful as a reader and as a writer. At the moment I have a fairly recent release out in a different genre from my other stuff, and it is stuck with one one-star review on Amazon but has some 4 and 5 star ratings on Goodreads. As I have already started a sequel, I was very happy to see the Goodreads ratings and they've given me a bit more confidence to carry on with the sequel.

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Tonyonline

Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2018, 04:15:02 AM »
it seems readers are far more likely to rate books on Goodreads

I wonder why that is  :icon_think:
To answer my own question! I suppose it's easy to rate a book rather than write a review, which is sort of expected on amazon. But that said, and as an author who would welcome more reviews and ratings on amazon, I'd be happy with a review on amazon like a review I have, which just says "Awesome" and gives a five star rating. Of course more would be better but...

I know it's always said ignore reviews they're for readers but..come on! Especially as a new author, like that's gonna happen

 

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2018, 04:26:44 AM »
To get help, you can join the Goodreads Librarians Group and put in a request. It's a public group so anyone can join - including authors.

https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/220-goodreads-librarians-group
 
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2018, 07:18:08 AM »
Tom, I followed your link and easily found an answer to my question about updating covers.

Q: My book has a new cover, but the ISBN/ASIN has not changed. How do I change the cover on Goodreads?

A: Goodreads policy is not to change covers on books that have already been published. Instead, an alternate-cover edition may be added. Start a new thread in this folder if you need help.

Please note: Authors who also have librarian status who delete old covers or otherwise vandalize older editions of books may have their librarian privileges revoked.

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Tom Wood

Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2018, 07:43:32 AM »
Ouch! Yeah, harsh.

That explains why Ready Player One has 166 cover editions:

https://www.goodreads.com/work/editions/14863741-ready-player-one

It appears that a user can choose which cover/edition they want to show up in their lists.
 
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2018, 07:03:36 PM »
Yes, that is because people buy different cover editions and want to have "their" book on their virtual shelves.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2018, 09:14:34 PM »
I sometimes check out the 'to-read' on my books. I had a new one and clicked on the name to see how many books they had on their 'to-read' list. I can't see my book being read any time soon as the readers list numbered 86,800.  :dizzy

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2018, 10:22:34 PM »
I think I initially spent some time on Goodreads, set up my author page, etc. Then other people started uploading old covers and when I learned those couldn't be removed, I was a little ticked. There are old and new covers there. And I absolutely hate the idea that just anyone can add covers/books there. So after my initial time investment, I rarely ever go back. As others have said, it's a great readers resource.

I also disabled Facebook as a log in. I try to keep that Goodreads (amazon) account as separate from my social media as possible.
 

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2018, 04:01:37 AM »
I think I initially spent some time on Goodreads, set up my author page, etc. Then other people started uploading old covers and when I learned those couldn't be removed, I was a little ticked. There are old and new covers there. And I absolutely hate the idea that just anyone can add covers/books there. So after my initial time investment, I rarely ever go back. As others have said, it's a great readers resource.

I also disabled Facebook as a log in. I try to keep that Goodreads (amazon) account as separate from my social media as possible.

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2018, 05:46:10 AM »
I don't like Goodreads, either as an author or reader. The site is confusing to navigate and honestly it annoys me that people who have never written a short story in their lives come down on authors so hard there. Unless you've experienced the hard work and determination of writing a novel, shut up about criticizing others who pour their entire souls and lives into writing books. Just my opinion.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2018, 05:49:38 AM »
I've been using Goodreads as a reader for years now. All my book reviews go there, and I have a number of other reviewers that I follow so I can see interesting books I might want to read. If I'm undecided about a book, I'll always check the reviews on Goodreads, which seem a little bit more balanced than Amazon reviews.

But as an author? Meh. I'm a librarian, so I can keep my own books in line, and help out others sometimes, and I don't mind the multiple covers - that has its uses. I can check up on some of those authors who routinely unpublish and republish books repeatedly. All those old versions are saved for posterity on Goodreads. But I'd really like a proper author dashboard that shows me new reviews, new ratings and so forth, with a single login for multiple pen names. But I don't see that ever happening.

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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2018, 12:09:33 PM »
It seems weird to me to default to the first edition cover not the most recent edition, which is what readers currently looking for it are more likely to recognize.  But, oh well.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2018, 02:06:01 PM »
Multiple covers/editions drive the neat freak in me crazy,  but I get why readers want to shelve the covers/editions they own. Understandably, GoodReads does things in a reader centric way, with authors as an afterthought. We're welcomed there, because we add an interesting dimension for readers who want to interact with authors, and because we bring additional content with us, but it's still primarily a reader space.

I maintain author bios for my pen names there and add my new releases, because my readers ask me to. Otherwise, I don't really hang out on GR.
 

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2018, 03:50:49 PM »
GoodReads does things in a reader centric way, with authors as an afterthought. We're welcomed there, because we add an interesting dimension for readers who want to interact with authors, and because we bring additional content with us, but it's still primarily a reader space.

This is exactly the same ethos as Amazon's. They're a perfect fit. So, without taking this OT, what aspects will Amazon keep if they absorb Goodreads into their operation?
 

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2018, 02:53:34 AM »
GR is one of the first places I go when I am looking for a new book in a certain genre. Their lists and reviews are pretty accurate and they have links to discussions about most of them.. you can also type in a 'mood' and get hits on it like "Alpha male" or "steamy reaper romance" or whatever .. Amazon's searches don't work like that anymore and its nice to find somewhere that does. As an author, I am just glad to have my books there and see how they rate with the public... I keep my q and a's there but don't try and advertise through it. As a reader, I prefer to give ratings where I can just rate a book, not write a full review... I always hated that... and I can keep track of what books I have read or want to read. You used to get good stuff from bloggers, but most bloggers nowadays are going with the newest 'fad' which doesn't usually include my preferences for reading.. and they get a bit too opinionated (downgrading books and authors just because the story has been done before,, i.e. old epic fantasy, vampire books etc..) without keeping the reviews professional.. so now its just Goodreads or random searches for me.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2018, 01:20:26 PM »
GoodReads does things in a reader centric way, with authors as an afterthought. We're welcomed there, because we add an interesting dimension for readers who want to interact with authors, and because we bring additional content with us, but it's still primarily a reader space.

This is exactly the same ethos as Amazon's. They're a perfect fit. So, without taking this OT, what aspects will Amazon keep if they absorb Goodreads into their operation?

Amazon acquired Goodreads in 2013, so it's fully assimilated by now!

 

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2018, 02:26:37 PM »
I established a Goodreads author page and occasionally visit to see if anyone has said something nice or nasty. I've even reviewed a few book club books there. Otherwise, I avoid the site. Too much learning curve involved for not enough potential reward. One must triage somehow.
 

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2018, 11:05:20 PM »
Goodreads is a catalogue, review and book discussion site for readers. Everyone who at one point in time places your book on his TBR list, wants it there for a reason. They would be angry, if anyone removed books from their lists regardless of how many years back they put them there.

Every edition and every cover get their own entry, so that people always are able to choose the exact edition and cover they own.

Goodreads is not truly made to be used by authors for marketing.
There's nothing wrong with having a site for readers, and Goodreads satisfies a low of people. I think what bothers me is that Goodreads pretends to be a good venue for authors to advertise. In many ways, it isn't well-designed for that. I wish it would abandon the pretense.

If I'm wrong, I hope someone with positive experiences from Goodreads advertising will set me straight. The people I've talked to so far have all said it was a waste of time, and I'm not sure my Goodreads ads ever moved even a single book.

I did used to have good luck getting reviews from Goodreads giveaways, but Amazon, in trying to squeeze out more profit, seems to have ruined that system.

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2018, 04:30:28 AM »
There's nothing wrong with having a site for readers, and Goodreads satisfies a low of people. I think what bothers me is that Goodreads pretends to be a good venue for authors to advertise. In many ways, it isn't well-designed for that. I wish it would abandon the pretense.

If I'm wrong, I hope someone with positive experiences from Goodreads advertising will set me straight. The people I've talked to so far have all said it was a waste of time, and I'm not sure my Goodreads ads ever moved even a single book.

I use it from time to time. For one reason the price of the CPC, it's enough to make your eyes water. I couldn't spend what's needed to get views and clicks on a regular basis. Also like you, I'm not sure if any of the ads I've run have generated a sale or page reads. I tend to use it, as I have recently, for promotion of a new book and the odd reminder about my other books. When I do that I throw some credit on the ad, another thing I'm not keen on, and walk away  :icon_rolleyes:
 

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2018, 05:08:37 AM »


Most of my covers are out of date. In fact, I think they all are.

Several of my books have duplicate listings. Why I don't know. I know when I've uploaded a new book and plugged in the ASIN, GD sometimes tells me the book already exists (I know. I wrote it), and then I have to relist the book without the ASIN. That may be where the duplicate listings come from. I tried to resolve it one day. I got to a page instructing me how to correct multiple listings. It was about 8000 words long.

I decided it wasn't that important.

I think anyone can add a book - I know if I leave it a few weeks (instead of adding the book within a day or two of release) a reader invariably adds it, wanting to 'shelve' it.

The librarians group is good though. All I had to do was post and say I had a duplicate and it was fixed within about 20 minutes. The librarian also went above and beyond and rounded up a few duplicates I didn't know about, and one of my books that I hadn't even thought about adding yet because it was still on preorder (but someone else had added it!)

I don't think it's terribly useful for 'forced' advertising. I've never heard anyone claim to have had good results. There's probably some value in the organic advertising - depending on settings, if a reader shelves or rates or whatevers my book, their friends will see that and be exposed to my book.

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2018, 05:26:44 AM »
Some of the duplicate listings are from different distributors. E.g. Smashwords appears to push an edition, Amazon does, a few others too.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2018, 09:55:07 PM »
Goodreads is a catalogue, review and book discussion site for readers. Everyone who at one point in time places your book on his TBR list, wants it there for a reason. They would be angry, if anyone removed books from their lists regardless of how many years back they put them there.

Every edition and every cover get their own entry, so that people always are able to choose the exact edition and cover they own.

Goodreads is not truly made to be used by authors for marketing.
I've not tried to use it for marketing, except for one giveaway which resulted in a lot of TBRs and not much else. As for every cover getting its own entry, I have not found that to be true, and believe me, I've tried.
I do realize GR is for readers, but if it wasn't so hostile to authors, both readers and authors would benefit.
     


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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2018, 11:42:59 PM »
My new covers are now replacing the old ones. I'm going slowly. So far, three have been changed and just sent in another five today. Don't want to overwhelm the librarians. Most of my 40+ books have had new covers.
           
 
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2018, 03:48:59 AM »
My new covers are now replacing the old ones. I'm going slowly. So far, three have been changed and just sent in another five today. Don't want to overwhelm the librarians. Most of my 40+ books have had new covers.

If I go to one of my books, I can add an alternate cover edition myself, as long as I'm adding it to a book that's listed on my dashboard as one of mine. I'm fairly certain I never did anything special to earn the privilege, but others have reported not being able to do some things that I can do on Goodreads, so no guarantees you can do the same.

Once I've clicked on the specific edition, beneath the get a copy stuff, there's 'other editions' - the option 'add an alternate cover edition' appears there for me. Hopefully for others as well, but no guarantees.

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2018, 03:51:50 AM »
I wish I had more time for GD, I think it's great. But as noted up-thread, it's a reader thing. I do use one-star reviews of popular books as research though. Some reviewers are really thorough, offering in-depth analysis on precisely what not to do. They're usually really funny too.  grint

 

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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2018, 10:56:36 AM »
I use GR when I remember to, but I have a bookshelf as well, so I've used it more as a reader. I've come across Library Thing and Online Book Club, and they seem promising. Though, I imagine GR is much bigger. Still, they seem active enough for both writers and readers, especially since the latter offers exchange reviews and other services.
 

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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2018, 05:27:13 PM »
Best part about Goodreads are the very thoughtful and nice reviews that everyone leaves...

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« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2018, 08:02:00 AM »
Best part about Goodreads are the very thoughtful and nice reviews that everyone leaves...

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Good one.

Sometimes I think they ought to call it Badreads...or Badreaders...lots of unpleasant people venting there.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2018, 09:01:18 AM »
When it launched it seemed to attract serious readers discussing serious books. It seems to have gone the other way now.
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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2018, 09:03:50 AM »
GR's is like most things, you get out what you put in.

 

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Re: Goodreads and your books.
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2018, 01:21:02 PM »
A current promotion by a big-name trad-pubbed historical romance author: To enter the competition, you must add her new book to your "Want To Read" shelf on Goodreads.

Presumably, the publisher's objective is to get a large number of readers to add the book to their Want to Read list.
Presumably, the publisher sees great marketing value in having a large number of readers do this.

My theory is that, if a large number of readers "tell" Goodreads they "want to read" this new book, then the Goodreads algorithm gets all excited, decides that this book must be a "hot new release" and then the book gets included in the Hot New Releases section in the monthly romance newsletter that goes out to all Goodreads members who signed up for this list. Which, presumably, is a very big list.

(My theory only, but why else might the publisher want to encourage this?)

This book comes out next week. So far, 3550 people have shelved it on GR as "want to read". It has about 80 ARC reviews.

This particular book was included in the Romance list on the Goodreads "New December Books" (I don't know if this slot is bought by trad publishers or algorithm based).
Yet to be seen if it will be included as a hot new release on the December Romance Newsletter (which comes out at the end of the month).

Any indies with money and reach want to test this? Or already have? Or know anything more?

I suggest 2 reasons why Goodreads is NOT a good place for marketing and not to bother (again, only my theories; I might well be wrong):

1. Mostly it uses algorithms based on readers' behavior: little is curated, the author/publisher have minimal control or influence. (E.g. for a new book to be included in the list of new releases in a genre, a certain number of readers must shelve it as that genre. It doesn't matter if the author/publisher says it is in that genre, or whether the readers shelve it correctly.) This means there's little we can do to influence it (although I would not be surprised if big publishers can buy promotions.) -- except by trying to influence readers' behavior, like the above promotion.

2. Readers on Goodreads do not want to be sold anything. They are there to track their own reading and to get reviews and word-of-mouth recommendations. Even though it's owned by Amazon, this gives it a level of neutrality and authority that the commercial sites don't have. In the limited reader communities I observe, a GR rating has more authority than an Amazon rating.

Personally, I like that Goodreads isn't overcome with ads. Lamenting the loss of Also-Boughts on Amazon because of Sponsored Ads? If ads on Goodreads were effective, then it would be all advertising and Goodreads would lose its USP.

BUT -- even though GR is not good for direct marketing and sales, it's not useless. Don't be sorry that you have more ratings on GR than on Amazon, because it is a network, readers do read the reviews, and you never know who is reading what, or how they are connected to each other, and word-of-mouth is powerful.

Three examples from my limited experience (1 book, 10 weeks old):
1. About a month ago, I received a five-star review from someone who has 1000 followers on Goodreads. That means that this review would have been in the feed of 1000 people. *Potentially*, 1000 people saw a recommendation of my book by someone who, presumably, they like and trust. No idea if it had an effect, but even if only 1 of those bought it as a result, it was a sale I didn't have to work for or pay for.

2. This week, I got a positive review from an influential reader/reviewer. This review has received a lot of likes and some comments (indicating engagement). My sales had been falling but in the days since that review was posted, they jumped. There is no way of knowing whether there is a correlation, but I am doing no marketing at all, so it wasn't anything I did. (No idea what Amazon is up to, or who else is talking about the book.)

3. On the flip side, an early reviewer hated my book. She also has lots of followers who "liked" and commented on her review. As a result, the top review on GR is my only two-star review. (Note: This review did not kill my book. In retrospect, I think it might even have been beneficial, because anyone bothered by the issues she mentioned won't read the book, and so no more "I hated this book" reviews.)

So for my book: 3 reviews out of 170 ratings that likely had some influence. Not a big proportion, lots of luck involved, but also no work or money involved.

Goodreads is also excellent for market research -- find out what readers do and don't like about your books, find out what other books your readers are reading, find out what readers think about your competitors' books, notice shifts in readers' views of what is acceptable or not, what they like, what they're bored with, what they're sick of. If you're planning to try a new genre, read reviews of books in that genre to find out what readers like and don't like. It is a goldmine of market information.

Plus, as someone else noted, some of those reviews are just great reading in themselves.
 
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