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The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« on: March 21, 2019, 08:38:26 PM »
Not sure if this has already been discussed. I would like to hear everyone's opinion on this.

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2019, 10:00:26 PM »
I don't ever update anything so whether they still support it or not makes no difference. I'll use Win7 till I die!  grint

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2019, 10:08:44 PM »
I'm sticking with Win 7 until my favorite editing software comes out with Linux versions.  Windows 10 is the biggest piece of malware ever forced onto unsuspecting consumers.
 

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2019, 11:14:02 PM »
I'm fine with Windows 10.
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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2019, 11:19:54 PM »
I have Windows 98 running on an old laptop that I use to playback backing tracks, Windows XP on my recording studio computer, Windows 7 on my desktop, and Windows 10 on my Surface Pro. They all work. They don't die just because the vendor stops supporting them.
     
 
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2019, 11:20:44 PM »
I'm too clueless to know which one I'm using.  (You did say everyone's opinion.)   :smilie_zauber:
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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2019, 11:30:09 PM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2019, 11:40:59 PM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

I've been using it for 6 years on my desktop, no support, no updates, no antivirus. Visit plenty of shady sites. Haven't had a single problem with it, unlike XP (which is full of holes). Don't worry :) it'll be fine.

Win10, on the other hand, is a spawn of Satan and should be killed with fire. Things stop working/start looking ugly for no reason, and that's after I'd turned off ALL updates. I just have no control over it. Total disaster.

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2019, 12:38:31 AM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

A possible option is to buy a cheap computer that can run a current OS and use it for eMail and Internet stuff while keeping the Windows 7 disconnected from the Internet and using it for writing and other production work.
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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2019, 01:01:24 AM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

A possible option is to buy a cheap computer that can run a current OS and use it for eMail and Internet stuff while keeping the Windows 7 disconnected from the Internet and using it for writing and other production work.
That's a clever idea.

Personally, I'm fine with Windows 10. There are occasional glitches, but no more than I've experienced with any other operating system (and I've been working with computers since the early 1980s).

When Windows 10 came out, some of the biggest problems were connected with running legacy software. If you absolutely, positively have to use software that isn't being updated any more, then a dual-computer solution would definitely be the way to go. Otherwise, Windows 10 isn't necessarily that big an adjustment.

However, operating system preferences are a very personal thing. I can't think of any operating system that isn't loved by some of my friends and hated by others. There are variables that I suspect may depend upon the way in which the individual user's brain works. But that's true of almost anything if you think about it.


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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2019, 05:19:46 AM »
I switched to Linux for everything except games and video editing (though Linux video editing isn't so horrid these days). So I'll keep the Windows 7 PC for a dedicated video editing box, for so long as it continues to work, and I'll have to build a new Windows 10 PC just for games.

Oh, and iTunes.

Aside from the spying, Windows 10 just keeps updating and breaking things, so there's no way to have a stable system. I wouldn't run anything on it that's actually important.
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2019, 05:52:19 AM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

If it's the interface you don't like about Windows 10 (I'm not sold on it myself), then you could install Classic Shell, which will make Windows 10 look like any other version of Windows you prefer. They've stopped updating it, but I was using it until recently and it worked fine.

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2019, 06:38:55 AM »
I'm like some others here - will keep using Win 7 until the machines it's on fail. I did that with XP, used it long after support stopped and never had any problems. And I never updated. Of course using machines till they fail means - backup - which also would reassure if lack of support bothers you.

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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2019, 07:36:58 AM »
If you make the switch to Windows 10, you'll probably want to set it to "metered connection."

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2019, 07:38:56 AM »
I'm like some others here - will keep using Win 7 until the machines it's on fail.
This ^^ in spades.

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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2019, 09:02:53 AM »
My Win7 machine died horribly and I slightly upteched with a new laptop but had to accept Win10.  Don't like it but I'm a profound nongeek and I'm stuck.  What I can't figure is how to get rid of all the junk that comes with Win10 :help
 
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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2019, 10:09:51 AM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

If it's the interface you don't like about Windows 10 (I'm not sold on it myself), then you could install Classic Shell, which will make Windows 10 look like any other version of Windows you prefer. They've stopped updating it, but I was using it until recently and it worked fine.

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2019, 05:50:59 PM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

If it's the interface you don't like about Windows 10 (I'm not sold on it myself), then you could install Classic Shell, which will make Windows 10 look like any other version of Windows you prefer. They've stopped updating it, but I was using it until recently and it worked fine.

http://classicshell.net/

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2019, 06:11:36 PM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

I've been using it for 6 years on my desktop, no support, no updates, no antivirus. Visit plenty of shady sites. Haven't had a single problem with it, unlike XP (which is full of holes). Don't worry :) it'll be fine.

Win10, on the other hand, is a spawn of Satan and should be killed with fire. Things stop working/start looking ugly for no reason, and that's after I'd turned off ALL updates. I just have no control over it. Total disaster.

I have an old laptop with Windows 7 which I write on and it's fine. I keep expecting it to die, but it just keeps going. I have a notebook type (small laptop) with Windows 10, which is ... OK. It used to try and update itself all the time but seems to have tired of that.
 
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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2019, 12:22:22 AM »
I really don't want to change from Windows 7. I'm just concerned about the security.   :icon_sad:

If it's the interface you don't like about Windows 10 (I'm not sold on it myself), then you could install Classic Shell, which will make Windows 10 look like any other version of Windows you prefer. They've stopped updating it, but I was using it until recently and it worked fine.

http://classicshell.net/

I hate the start menu of Windows 10 so I use StartIsBack https://www.startisback.com/
Which reminds me that I use Start Menu 8 (so-called because it began with Windows 8, but it's been updated to work well with Windows 10. https://www.iobit.com/en/iobitstartmenu8.php

(That makes me wonder what happened to Windows 9.) :shrug


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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2019, 02:43:04 AM »
(That makes me wonder what happened to Windows 9.) :shrug

It was so evil, even its developers couldn't bear to let it live.
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2019, 02:50:04 AM »
(That makes me wonder what happened to Windows 9.) :shrug

It was so evil, even its developers couldn't bear to let it live.
:hehe This conversation illustrates that tech companies often mis-estimate what their customers actually want. Personally, I don't have a problem with Windows 10, but I don't see the need for many of the changes made since Windows 7 (and I haven't used Cortana once). Millions in market research doesn't always pay off. Remember Microsoft Bob?

Microsoft isn't alone in that. Apple did eventually create a computer line that a lot of customers loved, but I'm old enough to remember that the Mac was actually the third attempt at a graphical user interface. Remember the Apple III? How about the Apple Lisa?


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« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2019, 03:28:01 AM »
Microsoft isn't alone in that. Apple did eventually create a computer line that a lot of customers loved, but I'm old enough to remember that the Mac was actually the third attempt at a graphical user interface. Remember the Apple III? How about the Apple Lisa?

Depends on how you want to count the attempts.  The Lisa and the Macintosh were both being developed largely concurrently.  When Steve Jobs was forced off the Lisa, he took over the Macintosh project.  The two projects ran in parallel, with Jobs maintaining secrecy on the Macintosh project.  The actual graphical user interface between the two is very similar with, if I recall, most of the differences being "under the hood."  The Lisa was released about a year before the Macintosh.

Apple later released an emulator to allow the Lisa to run Macintosh programs.

The Apple II was targeted at home users while the Apple III and the Lisa were intended for business users.  The Apple III did not have a GUI; its OS was text-based.  The Apple III wasn't too popular and Apple updated the Apple II line with the Apple IIe which became quite popular and continued to be produced for over ten years.  There were operating systems with GUIs available for the Apple IIe and Apple IIGS later on, but both came after the Macintosh and were very similar in appearance.

The "classic" Mac operating system was available from 1984 to 2001, when it was supplanted by Mac OS X (now macOS).  And Mac OS X was basically the Mac GUI grafted over the NeXT OS.
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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2019, 03:39:55 AM »
I'm sticking with Win 7 until my favorite editing software comes out with Linux versions.  Windows 10 is the biggest piece of malware ever forced onto unsuspecting consumers.

Pretty much my thoughts.
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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2019, 03:45:39 AM »
Microsoft isn't alone in that. Apple did eventually create a computer line that a lot of customers loved, but I'm old enough to remember that the Mac was actually the third attempt at a graphical user interface. Remember the Apple III? How about the Apple Lisa?

Depends on how you want to count the attempts.  The Lisa and the Macintosh were both being developed largely concurrently.  When Steve Jobs was forced off the Lisa, he took over the Macintosh project.  The two projects ran in parallel, with Jobs maintaining secrecy on the Macintosh project.  The actual graphical user interface between the two is very similar with, if I recall, most of the differences being "under the hood."  The Lisa was released about a year before the Macintosh.

Apple later released an emulator to allow the Lisa to run Macintosh programs.

The Apple II was targeted at home users while the Apple III and the Lisa were intended for business users.  The Apple III did not have a GUI; its OS was text-based.  The Apple III wasn't too popular and Apple updated the Apple II line with the Apple IIe which became quite popular and continued to be produced for over ten years.  There were operating systems with GUIs available for the Apple IIe and Apple IIGS later on, but both came after the Macintosh and were very similar in appearance.

The "classic" Mac operating system was available from 1984 to 2001, when it was supplanted by Mac OS X (now macOS).  And Mac OS X was basically the Mac GUI grafted over the NeXT OS.
Ah, you're right. I'd read about some aspects of the Apple III's OS being used in later versions and inferred that meant it had a graphical interface, which wasn't correct. There's also a misleading timeline on Wikipedia that positions the Apple III as a predecessor to the Apple IIGS rather than as a successor to the Apple II.

However, the original point, that Apple tried quite a few system before hitting on one that really took off, is still correct. The Apple II line was popular--my first computer was a IIe--but it wasn't the success the Mac later became. With proper support, the IIGS might have been, but Apple went out of its way to kill it. Go figure.


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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2019, 04:23:15 AM »
With proper support, the IIGS might have been, but Apple went out of its way to kill it. Go figure.

They produced and sold it for six years, which is a relatively long time for a computer model.

It probably didn't help much that the Apple IIGS got them sued (again) by Apple Corps.  Apple's last update to the Apple IIGS was 1989, the same year of the lawsuit.  After the lawsuit, they didn't update the Apple IIGS anymore and they didn't add the sound system features from the IIGS into the Macintosh line.
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2019, 05:43:55 AM »
With proper support, the IIGS might have been, but Apple went out of its way to kill it. Go figure.

They produced and sold it for six years, which is a relatively long time for a computer model.

It probably didn't help much that the Apple IIGS got them sued (again) by Apple Corps.  Apple's last update to the Apple IIGS was 1989, the same year of the lawsuit.  After the lawsuit, they didn't update the Apple IIGS anymore and they didn't add the sound system features from the IIGS into the Macintosh line.
The lawsuit could be relevant, but my recollection is that Jobs killed it because it was too much possible competition for the Mac line. (I used to read a lot of computer magazine.) If I recall correctly, there was a 11GS on the drawing board that would have been faster than the existing Macs. There were also companies expressing interest in buying the II line from Apple--which wouldn't have made much sense if there were ongoing litigation concerns. I also remember Apple misrepresenting its own sales figures (by omitting all the sales to schools, among other things) to justify stopping development of IIGS. Again, had there been ongoing concerns about litigation, Apple could have just said that instead of making up bogus sales figures to support what it was doing.

I read a little bit about the lawsuit. It sounds as if that would only have affected the multimedia capabilities of the IIGS--not in itself a reason for dropping the line, since, as you point out they didn't add the capability to the Mac, either. In any case, the trademark wrangling continued until 2007, so if the goal of ending the IIGS was to prevent more lawsuits, it wasn't very successful.

To go back to the original point I was making, Microsoft isn't the only tech company that sometimes doesn't deliver what its customers want. The Apple II users at the time were numerous, militant, and wanted the line continued in some form. Apple said no. All of the Apple II users I knew--admittedly not a very big data set--are now PC users.

But if you don't like the Apple example, we could also talk about flops like laserdiscs--supposed to be a revolution in education and home entertainment. Later, of course, there were some formats that made it and a larger number that didn't. (Video CD, Digital VHS, Audio DVD, HDDVD).

I sometimes wish indie authors had the resources to do more extensive market research. Then I realize that even companies with that capability don't always do well in the market.


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« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2019, 06:07:11 AM »
(That makes me wonder what happened to Windows 9.) :shrug

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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2019, 05:00:23 AM »
(That makes me wonder what happened to Windows 9.) :shrug

The odd-numbered versions of Windows are the ones worth having. Therefore, they had to go straight from 8 to 10 and skip 9 entirely.
 

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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2019, 05:52:26 AM »
(That makes me wonder what happened to Windows 9.) :shrug

The odd-numbered versions of Windows are the ones worth having. Therefore, they had to go straight from 8 to 10 and skip 9 entirely.

Well, the big breakthrough was 3, but before 5 they switched to model years. Then they switched briefly to names (Vista). Now, we're back to version numbers again.

If I recall correctly, Microsoft skipped about five version numbers on Word at one point. The inconsistency of it all is annoying.


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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2019, 09:08:51 AM »

A possible option is to buy a cheap computer that can run a current OS and use it for eMail and Internet stuff while keeping the Windows 7 disconnected from the Internet and using it for writing and other production work.

That's called a phone.
 

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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2019, 10:18:36 PM »
So many people reliant on old software! I wonder if writers are especially resistant to upgrade compared to the general population.

Personally, I just use the up-to-date version of the OS on whatever computer I’m on at the moment. As long as it runs Scrivener and a modern web browser, I’m happy. But lately it’s all iOS and macOS for me, so maybe I’m just not aware of how annoying Windows has gotten.
 
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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2019, 10:37:41 PM »
I've got Windows 7 on my desktop and have no intention of upgrading because I have lots of software that won't run on Windows 10. Why on earth should I pay to update everything else just to keep Microsoft happy? If they haven't got the bugs out of Windows 7 by now, I doubt that they ever will.

My laptop has Windows 10 and I hate it because it keeps changing. Plus Edge packed up within a fortnight.

Haven't Microsoft ever heard of the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."


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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2019, 01:13:03 AM »
When Windows 10 came out, I upgraded and VERY quickly downgraded back to 7 (within a day or two). That laptop died, though, so I had to buy a new one which of course had Windows 10. I've gotten used to it, though watching Windows processes eat up computer resources is very frustrating.
 

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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2019, 01:16:54 AM »
I've got Windows 7 on my desktop and have no intention of upgrading because I have lots of software that won't run on Windows 10. Why on earth should I pay to update everything else just to keep Microsoft happy? If they haven't got the bugs out of Windows 7 by now, I doubt that they ever will.

My laptop has Windows 10 and I hate it because it keeps changing. Plus Edge packed up within a fortnight.

Haven't Microsoft ever heard of the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

It's not really the bugs, it's security issues. Abandoning 7 means Microsoft will no longer be issuing security updates.
 
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2019, 02:49:59 AM »
Haven't Microsoft ever heard of the saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

That used to be their philosophy. People relied on Windows working, so they couldn't break anything. They even replicated old bugs in new versions of Windows to ensure backwards compatibility with old software that relied on those bugs to operate.

Then they got a new CEO, sacked most of their QA staff, and switched to 'break it and maybe fix it later'. Old stuff just gets removed and if your software relies on it, well, sucks to be you, buddy.

Plus spyware, of course.
 
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« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2019, 04:32:28 AM »
I'll be in trouble if Windows 7 won't work. My computer can't do anything higher, and I can't afford a new one. Plus, I hate the idea of anything else. I'd like to go back to XP. I liked how that one worked. It was easy to use, it saved stuff in a sane manner and just generally ran better. But my sons said I had to upgrade, so I went with what I could afford and got Windows 7. Heck, I'd like to go back to using Word 2007, it was much better than what I have now (2016, I think).

Time marches on, but it doesn't always go forward. Progress isn't necessarily better, and it's often worse.
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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2019, 12:19:47 PM »
I'll be in trouble if Windows 7 won't work.

Win 7 will continue to work as long as your computer keeps running. The same as XP computers still do.

The only change is security updates will cease happening. Once they do, keeping the computer connected to the internet becomes more of a gamble. But this depends a lot on how good the firewall you use is. If you use microsoft's firewall, better to disable networking completely, so nothing can access your computer ever again. But regardless, it will be safer if the computer has no internet connection once the security upgrades cease.

I dont see any reason why you cant remove word 2016, and reload word 2007. The only difference is the current docx standard wont be supported in 2007. So if someone sends you a docx made in 13 or 16, your word wont be able to read it. Likewise anything you wrote on 16, wont be readable by 7, unless you first re-save it as an earlier version of doc/docx.

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2019, 04:39:20 AM »
I can't possibly recommend Linux enough. I switched to it in 2012, right about when Win8 came out, and it has been such a good decision. I have not gotten one single virus ever since then, not a one. Software support's been great and getting better. Oh, AND ITS FREE! Seriously, Linux is amazing. I absolutely love it. I use Mint, though Ubuntu is also a good option if you're interested. For photoshop and certain programs I run them on windows 7 via virtualbox with Linux as the host. I have networking disabled with Win7 so it doesn't get viruses. It's worked like a charm :)
 

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« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2019, 06:35:20 AM »
My shop was 100% Linux for several years. But my readers for the column I wrote were mostly Windows programmers. I returned to Windows so I could be more responsive to the readership. When Windows 7 stops working, or when my elderly computer bites the dust, I'll return happily to Linux at the desktop.
     
 

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2019, 09:37:00 PM »
Win 10 sucks but its the only program I can use with the newer programs I need so it's, unfortunately, a necessary evil.

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« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2019, 12:03:37 AM »
Life after death...I am a firm believer, especially when it comes to Win7!

I go to massive lengths to buy up old Win7 machines, recently investing in a series of Panasonic Toughbooks and also Samsung Ultrabooks for the mere reason that they had Win7. Over the years, I tried "upgrading" (pah!) to Win8, Win10....and I really could not use them. They brought on nausea and migraine, seriously.

I also do not use a touchscreen for anything, nor will I use a mobile phone that has no physical keyboard (I use a BlackBerry Priv); they all make me ill. It causes some kind of neurological malfunction in me to a degree where I have to throw the item away within a few hours. I once bought a MacBook Air and sold it at a huge loss on eBay the very next day.

I will also only ever use Win7. The day I cannot buy a PC with Win7 is the day I die. :(

It was a great moment when I realised that most WIN business computers sold in the U.K. still use Win7. So while the masses "upgrade" to the junk that is Win10 and so on, Win7 still has a core following by business clients and I think that speaks volumes.

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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2019, 12:56:09 PM »
I'll keep using mac's. Vellum and the latest version of Scrivener have me firmly locked in on this walled garden. But seriously, in terms of laptops I've looked long and hard at a used Thinkpad and installing Linux. Love those keyboards, and fully decked out with a nice SSD you can get a used one for less than $400. I may go that way down the road.
 

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2019, 07:29:16 AM »
Cry.

In all seriousness, I've used Windows 10 for a good year or two at this point. Hate it with a dirty passion. I have a gaming laptop that can play most modern games on normal to high settings, but that's if Windows 10 lets me without some weird error. Even if I'm not gaming, I have tons of random issues. Sometimes Windows 10 decides it doesn't like my USB mouse, so it deletes its drives and I have to set everything up again while using the touch pad that I hate. Sometimes it turns my brightest settings up to 100% from 15% and won't let me change it back in the settings that should work. Instead, I have to go about this long convoluted process while blinded by the light just to get the settings to work again before changing it back. Sometimes Windows 10 decides to download apps I deleted and never use. Quite often Windows 10 has this issue where my memory is using 100% so I have to go in and turn off programs that I've already set not to run. Big brother Windows 10 overrules my decisions all the time.

I've had so many problems with it that I actually emailed myself with a list of issues and their fixes. What's odd is that no matter what issue it is, I'll look it up and find some people saying that it happens all the time and others say they've never experienced it. My husband's computer has never had the issues I've had with Windows 10, but he has different recurring problems. Windows 10 is like an official Microsoft virus.  :HB

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« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2019, 12:58:43 PM »
Cry.

In all seriousness, I've used Windows 10 for a good year or two at this point. Hate it with a dirty passion. I have a gaming laptop that can play most modern games on normal to high settings, but that's if Windows 10 lets me without some weird error. Even if I'm not gaming, I have tons of random issues. Sometimes Windows 10 decides it doesn't like my USB mouse, so it deletes its drives and I have to set everything up again while using the touch pad that I hate. Sometimes it turns my brightest settings up to 100% from 15% and won't let me change it back in the settings that should work. Instead, I have to go about this long convoluted process while blinded by the light just to get the settings to work again before changing it back. Sometimes Windows 10 decides to download apps I deleted and never use. Quite often Windows 10 has this issue where my memory is using 100% so I have to go in and turn off programs that I've already set not to run. Big brother Windows 10 overrules my decisions all the time.

I've had so many problems with it that I actually emailed myself with a list of issues and their fixes. What's odd is that no matter what issue it is, I'll look it up and find some people saying that it happens all the time and others say they've never experienced it. My husband's computer has never had the issues I've had with Windows 10, but he has different recurring problems. Windows 10 is like an official Microsoft virus.  :HB

After reading all these numerous problems with Win 10 I'm going to stick with Win 7. I wonder what the Microsoft Win 10 designers think about all these issues  :icon_rolleyes:

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« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2019, 02:29:35 PM »
I wonder what the Microsoft Win 10 designers think about all these issues

They don't. Microsoft designers and programmers live on a different planet, where there are no issues, just features.
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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2019, 02:58:19 PM »
I wonder what the Microsoft Win 10 designers think about all these issues

They don't. Microsoft designers and programmers live on a different planet, where there are no issues, just features.

System designers always seem to think they know better than the actual users  :doh:. I was trying to sort out my telephone account and the person I was dealing with apologised for the time it was taking citing a 'new system' as the problem. I asked if it was an improved system and he said "it's supposed to be" and I commented that the designer probably hadn't consulted the users first. He agreed. :icon_rolleyes:

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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2019, 03:18:55 PM »
System designers always seem to think they know better than the actual users  :doh:. I was trying to sort out my telephone account and the person I was dealing with apologised for the time it was taking citing a 'new system' as the problem. I asked if it was an improved system and he said "it's supposed to be" and I commented that the designer probably hadn't consulted the users first. He agreed. :icon_rolleyes:

Back when I was an analyst programmer, my bosses used to have a real problem with me always going to talk to the users. My last IT boss was especially pissed when I came back from a user and told him he'd left an entire third of the system design out. The system went in just fine in the end, but he never forgave me.
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« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2019, 05:35:26 PM »
System designers always seem to think they know better than the actual users  :doh:. I was trying to sort out my telephone account and the person I was dealing with apologised for the time it was taking citing a 'new system' as the problem. I asked if it was an improved system and he said "it's supposed to be" and I commented that the designer probably hadn't consulted the users first. He agreed. :icon_rolleyes:

Back when I was an analyst programmer, my bosses used to have a real problem with me always going to talk to the users. My last IT boss was especially pissed when I came back from a user and told him he'd left an entire third of the system design out. The system went in just fine in the end, but he never forgave me.

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Re: The 'end' of Windows 7 Jan 2020 - what are you going to do?
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2019, 10:25:59 PM »
I realize personal experiences vary, but I have to wonder what you all are doing to your computers to break Windows 10 this badly?

I have a Frankenstein computer. I built it during Black Friday 2012, almost 7 years ago. I’ve replaced pieces over the years, I literally have hanging hard drives because I didn’t feel like figuring out how to mount the things or rearrange to get them into a correct spot. The air flow might just be non-existent at the moment because the front air filter is filled with dust and I can’t remember how to get the front cover off, though I could look it up.

I game, everything from AAA games to shady indie games downloaded off the Internet. I write on this machine, I program on it. I even surf dark side websites from time to time.

We’ve been to hell and back together.

I installed Windows 10 on top of the Windows 8, which was in turn installed on top of 7.

I’ve had zero issues with 10. It’s the most stable computer I’ve used. It’s so close to the previous versions I can’t even remember the differences.

tl’dr You are all operating system curmudgeons  :icon_mrgreen: