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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by R. C. on May 12, 2024, 11:29:52 PM »
I remember we had to read The Catcher in the Rye and I still believe that is one of the most overrated books of all time.  I mean, were we supposed to identify with the protagonist because he was a teenager?  I didn't.  I just longed for him to get hit by a bus so the book would be over.


You and I share a brain when it comes to this book.   :cheers

The only time I was ever really into it was when it looked like the elevator pimp was going to beat Holden to a pulp.  That would have been a great way to begin the upward phase of the character's Harmon Circle: have him wake up in the hospital, reevaluate his life in something like a "Come to Jesus" moment, and then set himself to making amends and developing virtues and whatnot.

(For those who aren't familiar with the Harmon Circle, I'm referring to Step 5.)

Agreed, it is aggressively overrated. As are many other “must read” or “mandatory reading” assignments. I don’t want to start a fight, so I’ll keep my “that was not good” list to myself.

R.C.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by RiverRun on May 12, 2024, 10:20:36 PM »
I'm late to the discussion and I did not read the whole article. But I still feel a need to vent my opinion:) Literacy in America has been declining for a good long time, in part from the reasons mentioned earlier.

But do the experts have memories? The 8 and 9-year-olds of today were 4 and 5 during the pandemic. Many of them were not getting serious school instruction and then got tossed back into school with over-worked teachers and bunch of other kids who were behind. It may be that a significant number are just behind on reading and can't read middle-grade books yet.

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Marketing Loft [Public] / Re: Apple's selling two versions of my audiobook
« Last post by alhawke on May 12, 2024, 03:27:46 AM »
Just an update. Every time I publish an audiobook on Findaway, Audible releases a duplicate product on Apple. So, as I mentioned above, if you publish through Findaway, check your apple products and request Apple to delete the Audible duplicate. If you don't, you'll have two versions of your books show up. Not sure if this applies to Author's Republic? Hopefully, Findaway will eventually clear up this error.
Findaway's instructions to clear it: contact Apple Books:
"I am reaching out due to three of my titles being duplicated on Apple Books, as in, two products available for a singular audio title. Findaway has advised that I contact you directly. The duplicate that needs to be hidden is Audible as I’m selling direct.
{Your book:
The link to the version to KEEP is here:
{add your link
The link to the version to be HIDDEN is here:
{add your link"
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by LilyBLily on May 07, 2024, 11:39:51 AM »
That's true, Vijaya. We always had books around and we read books to our child and gave them books. As a result of that and the social isolation of living way out in the country, ours learned to read without a teacher. I, on the other hand, despite all the books in my house growing up, couldn't really read a whole sentence in the second grade. Not even a caption on a picture in a book--I tried, and I embarrassed myself. Pitiful, and yet I am a lifelong avid reader.

There's plenty of time for kids to read today while being dragged to the innumerable extracurricular classes and sports they're programmed into. They're not driving the car, after all.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Vijaya on May 07, 2024, 12:51:45 AM »
It begins at home. When parents read for pleasure, so do the kids. We raised our kids without any TV or video games for the first 10-12 yrs of their lives, so books were the entertainment. These childhood habits remain even though they use their computers and phones heavily, both in their 20s now.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by cecilia_writer on May 06, 2024, 06:21:17 PM »
Kids probably don't have as much time to read for fun now because of the relentless pursuit of other activities. Growing up in a small village without tv or computers,  I'm sure I used to read as much to fill in my spare time as for any other reason. However my two kids have always read a lot - and been read to - and as the younger one was exactly the right age to enjoy the Harry Potter books when they first came out, he is completely addicted to fiction and did a degree in English. The older one tended to read more non-fiction. I see my grandson surrounded by books and just learning to read for himself. I don't know what he will be like at 9 but my son reads stories to him every night so I hope he will carry on with it.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on May 06, 2024, 03:04:52 PM »
I remember we had to read The Catcher in the Rye and I still believe that is one of the most overrated books of all time.  I mean, were we supposed to identify with the protagonist because he was a teenager?  I didn't.  I just longed for him to get hit by a bus so the book would be over.


You and I share a brain when it comes to this book.   :cheers

The only time I was ever really into it was when it looked like the elevator pimp was going to beat Holden to a pulp.  That would have been a great way to begin the upward phase of the character's Harmon Circle: have him wake up in the hospital, reevaluate his life in something like a "Come to Jesus" moment, and then set himself to making amends and developing virtues and whatnot.

(For those who aren't familiar with the Harmon Circle, I'm referring to Step 5.)
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by LilyBLily on May 06, 2024, 02:04:48 PM »
My mother took us to the public library and she bought us many books. Reading, literature, history, and languages were always big in our house--even though I'm pretty sure I watched every single Western TV series ever produced, too, and all us kids ran around outside all day and into the evening. So when did we have time to read? But we did read, because there always are moments when there's "nothing else to do."

School didn't deter me from reading; it introduced me to keeping my own reading list, which I have kept all my life (fiction only). Sometimes I look at the list and think I surely wasted my time on many unmemorable stories not particularly well-written. Now I make my own contributions to that genre.


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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Matthew on May 06, 2024, 11:27:45 AM »
Seems like that article lacks any useful data. "the very age when, according to publishing lore, lifetime readers are made" Right. I'll just trust lore to be a scientific study.

I'm sure the reasons are an amalgamation of many factors. Covid, screens, educational funding and curriculum, lack of parental care.

Lynn has some good points, and the only reason I was reading at a young age is because my mother took me to the library.

From my own experience, I have to generally agree with Tim. School absolutely killed any interest I had in reading. I was forced to read books I didn't want to read, write book reports for them, and get points marked off because my interpretations weren't the correct interpretations. When I stopped actually reading the books and just rephrased Spark Notes, my grades improved. I found it hard to read for pleasure after having books associated with hard work and pain.

It wasn't until I was in college that I started reading again. I had more control, and could explore books I actually found interesting with my limited free time, and was able to actually enjoy them without having to worry about overanalyzing everything to death. I explored genres based on movies and TV I enjoyed and started to read more widely over time. After reading some blurbs, I also read a number of the classics they try to shove down your throat in school. And many of those I actually enjoyed, without the threat of a grade hanging overhead. I'm sure I missed some greater themes, symbolism, or other small details, and I don't care. Gatsby can kill me with his green light for all I care.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Lynn on May 06, 2024, 08:57:31 AM »
My suspicion is that if that age group isn't reading for fun, then it's because either parents aren't bringing in the books to the house that the kids want to read, or the kids aren't being encouraged in a fun way at school (or in clubs) or even have access to reading they think of as fun. This is what comes of parents who want to control their kids and their activities, and what comes of schools and kids being dragged into the middle of culture wars by parents and governments who want to get in the way of kids' own discernment and ability to choose what they find fun and entertaining or interesting to read.

Surest way to kill a kid's interest in reading it to tell them what they should or shouldn't like.

So honestly I'm not surprised, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, and I also wouldn't be surprised if kids are actually finding and reading more books through pirating and other online resources that they can keep hidden from their parents than the people asking these questions will ever hear from the kids themselves.

Honestly, this is what my daughter did, before I found out and let her understand clearly that she could read whatever she wanted. I wasn't going to confiscate her tablet because of what she was reading. Then we talked about fiction and how important it is to remember that fiction is fiction and reality is something else and that part of the beauty of fiction is that very thing.

As for me, when I was in middle school, we had reading competitions. Who could read the most books from the school library? I scoured the library for anything I could find that I might remotely be interested in because I wanted to win. It was my first exposure to second person fiction, choose your own adventure books, and a lot of other genres I'd have never read otherwise. :)
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