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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Jeff Tanyard on May 06, 2024, 03:04:52 PM »
I remember we had to read The Catcher in the Rye and I still believe that is one of the most overrated books of all time.  I mean, were we supposed to identify with the protagonist because he was a teenager?  I didn't.  I just longed for him to get hit by a bus so the book would be over.


You and I share a brain when it comes to this book.   :cheers

The only time I was ever really into it was when it looked like the elevator pimp was going to beat Holden to a pulp.  That would have been a great way to begin the upward phase of the character's Harmon Circle: have him wake up in the hospital, reevaluate his life in something like a "Come to Jesus" moment, and then set himself to making amends and developing virtues and whatnot.

(For those who aren't familiar with the Harmon Circle, I'm referring to Step 5.)
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by LilyBLily on May 06, 2024, 02:04:48 PM »
My mother took us to the public library and she bought us many books. Reading, literature, history, and languages were always big in our house--even though I'm pretty sure I watched every single Western TV series ever produced, too, and all us kids ran around outside all day and into the evening. So when did we have time to read? But we did read, because there always are moments when there's "nothing else to do."

School didn't deter me from reading; it introduced me to keeping my own reading list, which I have kept all my life (fiction only). Sometimes I look at the list and think I surely wasted my time on many unmemorable stories not particularly well-written. Now I make my own contributions to that genre.


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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Matthew on May 06, 2024, 11:27:45 AM »
Seems like that article lacks any useful data. "the very age when, according to publishing lore, lifetime readers are made" Right. I'll just trust lore to be a scientific study.

I'm sure the reasons are an amalgamation of many factors. Covid, screens, educational funding and curriculum, lack of parental care.

Lynn has some good points, and the only reason I was reading at a young age is because my mother took me to the library.

From my own experience, I have to generally agree with Tim. School absolutely killed any interest I had in reading. I was forced to read books I didn't want to read, write book reports for them, and get points marked off because my interpretations weren't the correct interpretations. When I stopped actually reading the books and just rephrased Spark Notes, my grades improved. I found it hard to read for pleasure after having books associated with hard work and pain.

It wasn't until I was in college that I started reading again. I had more control, and could explore books I actually found interesting with my limited free time, and was able to actually enjoy them without having to worry about overanalyzing everything to death. I explored genres based on movies and TV I enjoyed and started to read more widely over time. After reading some blurbs, I also read a number of the classics they try to shove down your throat in school. And many of those I actually enjoyed, without the threat of a grade hanging overhead. I'm sure I missed some greater themes, symbolism, or other small details, and I don't care. Gatsby can kill me with his green light for all I care.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Lynn on May 06, 2024, 08:57:31 AM »
My suspicion is that if that age group isn't reading for fun, then it's because either parents aren't bringing in the books to the house that the kids want to read, or the kids aren't being encouraged in a fun way at school (or in clubs) or even have access to reading they think of as fun. This is what comes of parents who want to control their kids and their activities, and what comes of schools and kids being dragged into the middle of culture wars by parents and governments who want to get in the way of kids' own discernment and ability to choose what they find fun and entertaining or interesting to read.

Surest way to kill a kid's interest in reading it to tell them what they should or shouldn't like.

So honestly I'm not surprised, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, and I also wouldn't be surprised if kids are actually finding and reading more books through pirating and other online resources that they can keep hidden from their parents than the people asking these questions will ever hear from the kids themselves.

Honestly, this is what my daughter did, before I found out and let her understand clearly that she could read whatever she wanted. I wasn't going to confiscate her tablet because of what she was reading. Then we talked about fiction and how important it is to remember that fiction is fiction and reality is something else and that part of the beauty of fiction is that very thing.

As for me, when I was in middle school, we had reading competitions. Who could read the most books from the school library? I scoured the library for anything I could find that I might remotely be interested in because I wanted to win. It was my first exposure to second person fiction, choose your own adventure books, and a lot of other genres I'd have never read otherwise. :)
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by writeway on May 06, 2024, 04:43:15 AM »
Grown women have always been the biggest readers in history and now. Men usually aren't big readers, never have been. I doubt many kids were ever passionate about reading. Most read because they have to in school and boys rarely ever read if it's not mandatory. It's the same with men. Men read way less than women, always have. And when they do read men tend to read nonfiction books, etc. Women read for pleasure more than anyone. Girls do read more than boys it seems but to what extent?

My point is, children are not monolithic. You got some that like to read and some don't, just like adults. When I was a kid, I read a lot. I read way more than I ever did as an adult. Why? Because as a kid I wasn't as busy, and I enjoyed books more back then. As an adult, I am much picker with my reading than I was as a kid so it's harder for me to find books I wanna read. A lot of the books that are popular don't appeal to me and I only read indie now. I haven't bought a trade book in years. But if you asked me would I rather write than read, hell yeah. I spend way more time writing and I enjoy immersing myself in my own stories more than I do reading. Doesn't mean I don't like to read anymore but it's not as big of a passion for me as it was when I was younger.

So, IMO, I don't think kids in general were any more passionate about reading in the past. If you didn't have school, many wouldn't read at all. It's the parents we should be talking about. They should enforce reading more and get their children more involved than just letting them be on the computer on social media all day. But then again the parents probably don't read either so...  :shrug If you don't do something you sure aren't gonna tell someone else to do it.

I was a kid in the 80s and a teen in the 90s. We didn't have the Internet, cell phones, social media, etc. All we had was cable, TV, and music. That in itself was enough of a distraction for some kids not to read. And when I was a kid we always went outside to play everyday after school and on weekends. Many kids only read when they had homework. Today, these kids have WAY more distractions than even I had so heck, if I was a child today I don't know if I would be reading much either for pleasure. Not saying that's a good thing at all. I think kids should be reading as much as possible to learn stuff, but much of it is a sign of the times and not so much about the state of literature or books. I don't have kids, but if I did I would definitely instill the importance of reading to them.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Post-Crisis D on May 06, 2024, 04:19:09 AM »
I found school put me off reading more than anything else did.

I wasn't interested in what they wanted me to read, and I read it so fast that by the time we discussed the books, I'd already forgotten them.

It was mixed for me.  I know I have a number of kids' books (and am still miffed that I lost many due to water damage), but I remember reading mostly non-fiction.  One of my grade school teachers (5th grade, maybe?) complained I was reading too much non-fiction when I did my book reports.  So, that was when I (had to) switched to fiction, starting with The Odyssey.

I don't know how much of an effect that had.  I suppose it was negligible when it came to making my own choices.  But, when we had to read assigned books, that was different.  I remember we had to read The Catcher in the Rye and I still believe that is one of the most overrated books of all time.  I mean, were we supposed to identify with the protagonist because he was a teenager?  I didn't.  I just longed for him to get hit by a bus so the book would be over.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by TimothyEllis on May 06, 2024, 02:53:32 AM »
I found school put me off reading more than anything else did.

I wasn't interested in what they wanted me to read, and I read it so fast that by the time we discussed the books, I'd already forgotten them.

I picked up reading again after I left high school and was earning money.

I'm not too worried about that age group. I don't aim at them, and I don't expect them to start buying books themselves until they're in their late teens or twenties.

If the stats start showing that the same drop off is happening in the 20's group, then we can start to get worried.

But stats like these can be very deceptive anyway, because of the small samples, or limited groups they sample.

The first thing I want to know is what was the actual question asked was.

Because that question could have been aimed at paperbacks by the way it was phrased, and is being interpreted to mean all books. And if so, that's BS.
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / "Decline by 9" - Kids don't read
« Last post by Hopscotch on May 06, 2024, 02:45:30 AM »
Not Lost in a Book
Slate   May 5, 2024

“…At least among one audience, books are dying...the exact audience whose departure from reading might actually presage a catastrophe for the publishing industry—and for the entire concept of pleasure reading as a common pursuit….Sales of ‘middle-grade’ books—the classification covering ages 8 through 12—[is] the only sector of the industry that’s underperforming compared to 2019.…kids in third and fourth grade are beginning to stop reading for fun….at age 8, 57 percent of kids say they read books for fun most days; at age 9, only 35 percent do….the very age when, according to publishing lore, lifetime readers are made….any number of causes for middle-graders’ lost love of reading [screen time, schools teaching reading to test, librarians worry for book bans, publishers chasing bestsellers, etc]…adds up to an environment where kids are less passionate about reading and, even if they somehow do get excited, they’re less likely to discover the book that will keep them excited….”

https://slate.com/culture/2024/05/kids-reading-fun-books-decline-by-nine-crisis.html
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Bar & Grill [Public] / Re: What Did You Blog About Today
« Last post by Vijaya on May 03, 2024, 03:42:29 AM »
May, a favorite month for a variety of reasons: https://vijayabodach.blogspot.com/2024/05/happy-may.html
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Quill and Feather Pub [Public] / Re: Article: No one buys books
« Last post by Bill Hiatt on May 02, 2024, 12:19:02 AM »
I send everyone to my website and store, but I also have retailer links at both places.  I make it clear I don't mind if they buy from retailers. I want them to do what's best for them. 

I'll get paid (eventually) either way, but having a site and/or store gives us a chance to showcase the books a bit before they go to retailers.  I hope they've decided to get the ebook by the time they click that retailer  button.

Totally agree, I've always liked how you can completely control the presentation of the books on your own website. No doubt, I'll be trying this approach again sometime (Einstein's definition of insanity...)
It isn't necessarily insane. We deal with a lot of variables in self-publishing, most of which we don't have accurate stats on. Einstein was assuming someone was doing the same thing over and over with no difference in circumstances. But our circumstances are fluid.
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